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Hello...a friend and I have been gaming scenario 17 now (3 day turns) using the version 2.20. Now recently over a three day period I lost (as the IJN player) 6,000 men due to air attacks.
Now I can see perhaps (or even maybe) when one is strafing with 100 plus aircraft...but when 9 planes are attacking...the total lost is 565,.....and over 2700 men were lost to 52 fighters and fighterbombers....
Now I did check...they have supplies...but the support number is very low. Now with the support number being low I can see enemy ground troops doing this damage..but enemy aircraft? Any thoughts or opinions?

Here is the text of the combat reports:


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/26/43

Weather: Rain

Air attack on Bia , at 41,42


Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 3
P-40E Warhawk x 3
P-38G Lightning x 3


no losses

Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 565
Guns lost 2


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Air attack on Bia , at 41,42


Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 6


no losses

Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 210


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Air attack on 238th Regiment, at 41,42


Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 5
SBD Dauntless x 32
Beaufort x 8
P-40E Warhawk x 15
P-38G Lightning x 15
A-20B Boston x 9
A-20G Havoc x 9
B-25J Mitchell x 24
A-20G Boston x 7


no losses

Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 120

Attacking Level Bombers:
3 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet
4 x Beaufort at 5000 feet
3 x A-20G Boston at 5000 feet
6 x A-20G Havoc at 5000 feet
4 x Beaufort at 5000 feet
9 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet
3 x A-20B Boston at 5000 feet
4 x A-20G Boston at 5000 feet
3 x A-20G Havoc at 5000 feet
6 x A-20B Boston at 5000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet
9 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet

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Air attack on 238th Regiment, at 41,42


Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 22
B-25D Mitchell x 9
B-25J Mitchell x 18
PB4Y Liberator x 3


no losses

Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 60

Attacking Level Bombers:
3 x B-25J Mitchell at 2000 feet
3 x B-25D Mitchell at 2000 feet
6 x B-25D Mitchell at 2000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell at 2000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator at 2000 feet
6 x B-25J Mitchell at 2000 feet
6 x B-25J Mitchell at 2000 feet

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Air attack on Bia , at 41,42


Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 17
P-40E Warhawk x 21
P-38G Lightning x 14


no losses

Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 2782
Guns lost 5


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Air attack on Bia , at 41,42


Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 49


no losses

Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 601



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Air attack on Bia , at 41,42


Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 3
P-40E Warhawk x 3
P-38G Lightning x 3


no losses

Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 398
Guns lost 2


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Air attack on 238th Regiment, at 41,42


Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 18
SBD Dauntless x 42
Beaufort x 9
P-40E Warhawk x 21
P-38G Lightning x 15
A-20B Boston x 9
A-20G Havoc x 10
B-25J Mitchell x 21
A-20G Boston x 6


no losses

Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 204
Guns lost 1

Attacking Level Bombers:
3 x A-20G Boston at 5000 feet
6 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet
6 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet
4 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet
5 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet
3 x A-20G Boston at 5000 feet
6 x Beaufort at 5000 feet
6 x A-20G Havoc at 5000 feet
3 x Beaufort at 5000 feet
3 x A-20B Boston at 5000 feet
6 x A-20B Boston at 5000 feet
4 x A-20G Havoc at 5000 feet

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Air attack on Bia , at 41,42


Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 20
P-40E Warhawk x 21
P-38G Lightning x 15


no losses

Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 1446


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Air attack on Bia , at 41,42


Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 54


no losses

Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 761



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Air attack on Bia , at 41,42


Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 3


no losses

Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 19


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Air attack on 237th Regiment, at 41,42


Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 24
SBD Dauntless x 45
Beaufort x 12
P-40E Warhawk x 24
P-38G Lightning x 15
A-20B Boston x 10
A-20G Havoc x 10
B-25J Mitchell x 22
A-20G Boston x 9


no losses

Attacking Level Bombers:
3 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet
4 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet
3 x A-20G Boston at 5000 feet
3 x Beaufort at 5000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet
6 x Beaufort at 5000 feet
3 x A-20G Boston at 5000 feet
4 x A-20G Havoc at 5000 feet
6 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet
3 x A-20G Havoc at 5000 feet
3 x A-20B Boston at 5000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet
4 x A-20B Boston at 5000 feet
3 x A-20B Boston at 5000 feet
3 x A-20G Havoc at 5000 feet
3 x Beaufort at 5000 feet
3 x A-20G Boston at 5000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet

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Air attack on Bia , at 41,42


Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 21
P-40E Warhawk x 21
P-38G Lightning x 15


no losses

Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 141


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Air attack on Bia , at 41,42


Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 45


no losses

Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 20


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I have always thought that UV ground losses by air were excessive but I don't know if the new patch addresses this.

Did you actually loose that many or was it a fog of war thing?

There was mention in Joel's notes about a fix to the reporting of excessive ground troops lost...

Hello,
Umm, I wish it was a fog or war thing......(sigh). I had checked the units at Bia were at about 15,200 souls...then three days later when I checked after those horrific losses (Rambo anyone?)...I was down to about 9,500 men....

Yup, this is one of the outstanding things that still need to be fixed....this should be in the bug forum.

Originally posted by Drex
I have always thought that UV ground losses by air were excessive but I don't know if the new patch addresses this.

The new patch tries to fix it, but I can't say if we've done enough yet in this area. I have found that fortifications make all the difference in avoiding losses from the air attacks.

Well thats good to hear that the Patch has gone some way towards a fix.

I have found that fortifications make all the difference in avoiding losses from the air attacks.

Now there's a shocker

Who would have ever thought that being surrounded by concrete & sandbags would keep you alive?

Sometimes we tend to ignore the obvious.