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Question CSME Dev Team?

I noticed that when I look at the Libyan air strike types in the Unit Viewer like MiG 17, 21 etc. I don't see attack factors for Hard & Soft targets.
In fact the values are zero! Yet when I look at the Egyptians, Israelis and British in passing I do see factors for Hard & Soft target types in he Unit Viewer.

I was wondering if this might be a glitch or are the Libyan air strike units using a predetermined value for Hard and Soft
target types hidden somewhere in the game code and not seen by the Unit Viewer.
If they are indeed hidden is there a way to see what those are for scenario design purposes?

Also I noticed that the 2D counter for the different airstrikes in the Unit Viewer is a silhouette of a tank and not an aircraft.
That doesn't seem right and I wonder if anyone else has seen that also.

At first I thought maybe my path for the Unit Viewer is fouled up but when I checked it, it looked OK. I do see all the other unit types normally for CSME.

Thanks
John[:)]

Cheers John,

Off map aircraft won't show up in 2D view, hence they don't have a NATO icon. Since they are listed in the same Platoon*.oob format as other units, there must be a value for that. Often it is left as zero, which with most countries is indeed a tank.

Their attack values should be in the Weapons.pdt data file with everything else, I am not sure how Unit Viewer shows them. I will check later and get back to you.

ORIGINAL: Crossroads

Cheers John,

Off map aircraft won't show up in 2D view, hence they don't have a NATO icon.

... nor a 2D unit profile image, for that matter. That pointer is often left as 0 as well, which again points often to a tank, that's why you'd see a tank NATO symbol and tank profile.

ORIGINAL: Big Ivan

Question CSME Dev Team?

I noticed that when I look at the Libyan air strike types in the Unit Viewer like MiG 17, 21 etc. I don't see attack factors for Hard & Soft targets.
In fact the values are zero! Yet when I look at the Egyptians, Israelis and British in passing I do see factors for Hard & Soft target types in he Unit Viewer.

I was wondering if this might be a glitch or are the Libyan air strike units using a predetermined value for Hard and Soft
target types hidden somewhere in the game code and not seen by the Unit Viewer.
If they are indeed hidden is there a way to see what those are for scenario design purposes?

All's good as far as I can see, if I understood your question right?

ORIGINAL: Crossroads

ORIGINAL: Big Ivan

Question CSME Dev Team?

I noticed that when I look at the Libyan air strike types in the Unit Viewer like MiG 17, 21 etc. I don't see attack factors for Hard & Soft targets.
In fact the values are zero! Yet when I look at the Egyptians, Israelis and British in passing I do see factors for Hard & Soft target types in he Unit Viewer.

I was wondering if this might be a glitch or are the Libyan air strike units using a predetermined value for Hard and Soft
target types hidden somewhere in the game code and not seen by the Unit Viewer.
If they are indeed hidden is there a way to see what those are for scenario design purposes?

All's good as far as I can see, if I understood your question right?

I did not understand your question right. Those jets indeed do not have any values. To be fixed!

Nice catch, thank you!

ORIGINAL: Crossroads

ORIGINAL: Crossroads

ORIGINAL: Big Ivan

Question CSME Dev Team?

I noticed that when I look at the Libyan air strike types in the Unit Viewer like MiG 17, 21 etc. I don't see attack factors for Hard & Soft targets.
In fact the values are zero! Yet when I look at the Egyptians, Israelis and British in passing I do see factors for Hard & Soft target types in he Unit Viewer.

I was wondering if this might be a glitch or are the Libyan air strike units using a predetermined value for Hard and Soft
target types hidden somewhere in the game code and not seen by the Unit Viewer.
If they are indeed hidden is there a way to see what those are for scenario design purposes?

All's good as far as I can see, if I understood your question right?

I did not understand your question right. Those jets indeed do not have any values. To be fixed!

Nice catch, thank you!

Kudos to you Crossroads. [&o]

Every once in a while I think I may be going a bit insane so I have to check up on myself. I'm
glad the development team is there to do that job!

I caught this because I was working on a random battle generation for the year 1980 Libyans vs. British. In order
to help the Libyans deal with British Chieftain tanks and balance it a bit more I was going to give the Libyans
a generous supply of airstrikes. That got me checking values and the rest you know.

Now that you see the same thing, I feel better.[:D]

Happy I could help make CSME just a little more refined.

Have a great day!

John[8D]

Cheers!

Ha isn't for catching that guys!

Hey gents CSME rocks!!!![&o][&o]

Can't wait for 2.0 with all the new cool stuff I'm seeing. I may have to retire early or get my excuse book out for not
being at work.[:D]

Cheers!

Here is more air strike types I found in addition to the Libyans with the same issue. No hard or soft attack values indicated.

Pro West: SU-7(Bomber)
Pro East: SU-7(Bomber)
Syria: MIG-23 Flogger
Lebanon: de Haviland Vampire
Israeli: Auster AOP.9 (However it looks like a spotting aircraft so it may not have Hard & Soft attack factors)
Algeria: SU-7 Fitter(Bomber)
Algeria: MIG-27 Flogger(Bomber)
Algeria: MIG-23 Flogger(Bomber)

I looked through all nations aircraft types through the unit viewer and these 8 additional are what I found. Shouldn't
be any more.

Thanks
John[:)]

Fixed!

Thank you again, John!

That's awesome!

My pleasure, have a good day Jason![:)]

ORIGINAL: Big Ivan

Here is more air strike types I found in addition to the Libyans with the same issue. No hard or soft attack values indicated.

Pro West: SU-7(Bomber)
Pro East: SU-7(Bomber)
Syria: MIG-23 Flogger
Lebanon: de Haviland Vampire
Israeli: Auster AOP.9 (However it looks like a spotting aircraft so it may not have Hard & Soft attack factors)
Algeria: SU-7 Fitter(Bomber)
Algeria: MIG-27 Flogger(Bomber)
Algeria: MIG-23 Flogger(Bomber)

I looked through all nations aircraft types through the unit viewer and these 8 additional are what I found. Shouldn't
be any more.

Thanks
John[:)]

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rober@Rob10rto ~/cslint
$ ./cswpnchk.pl +n +w +e -g me | egrep -iv "uniformly decline" | egrep -i "fighter|bomber|vampire|flogger|auster|aop"
NOTICE: for unit 145009 SU-7 (Bomber), no corresponding range effect values in weapon.pdt
NOTICE: for unit 265015 Mig-23 Flogger, no corresponding range effect values in weapon.pdt
NOTICE: for unit 275002 de Havilland Vampire, no corresponding range effect values in weapon.pdt
NOTICE: for unit 285009 SU-7 (Bomber), no corresponding range effect values in weapon.pdt
NOTICE: for unit 295002 MiG-23 Flogger, no corresponding range effect values in weapon.pdt
NOTICE: for unit 295003 Su-22M3 Fighter-Bomber, no corresponding range effect values in weapon.pdt
NOTICE: for unit 295004 MiG-23 Flogger (Bomber), no corresponding range effect values in weapon.pdt
NOTICE: for unit 295005 Su-22M3 Fighter-Bomber (Bomber), no corresponding range effect values in weapon.pdt
NOTICE: for unit 305009 MiG-23 Flogger (Bomber), no corresponding range effect values in weapon.pdt
NOTICE: for unit 305010 SU-7 Fitter (Bomber), no corresponding range effect values in weapon.pdt
NOTICE: for unit 305011 MiG-27 Flogger (Bomber), no corresponding range effect values in weapon.pdt

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[;)]

We will notice these, um, NOTICEs better in future. [:'(]

Thanks berto,

I hear you and appreciate the follow-up! But alas time to head for the land of Nod...

That steel mill never stops working and I have to get my big fanny there tomorrow morning.