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P.T. Boats
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:43 am
by m10bob
For our friends with a recent interest.
https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/sh ... ps-pt.html
Trivia...Prior to being sunk, the crew of the P.T. 109 "borrowed" an army 37mm AT gun, removed the wheels, and lashed it to the bow of the boat.
Everybody knew when "the rich kid" was brought in to the hospital on the'canal, according to my uncle Jim, who was there.
JFK was NOT a phony war hero.
RE: P.T. Boats
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:59 am
by Leandros
Very interesting. Tks for posting! Bulkley's whole book is there, too.
Fred
RE: P.T. Boats
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:00 am
by BBfanboy
I get a "page can't be displayed message" when I right or left-click on the link. Does that site have the JFK docs just released?
RE: P.T. Boats
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:41 am
by Leandros
ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
I get a "page can't be displayed message" when I right or left-click on the link. Does that site have the JFK docs just released?
If so, there shouldn't be a problem to open it....[:)]
Fred
RE: P.T. Boats
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:54 pm
by BBfanboy
ORIGINAL: Leandros
ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
I get a "page can't be displayed message" when I right or left-click on the link. Does that site have the JFK docs just released?
If so, there shouldn't be a problem to open it....[:)]
Fred
CNN reported websites crashing from all the folks trying to access and download the JFK docs - mostly reporters and conspiracy theorists, I presume!
RE: P.T. Boats
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 7:04 pm
by wdolson
I remember back in 1992 when Congress passed the law sealing the JFK records until this year. I was working with a guy from Iran who was fascinated with everything JFK and was lamenting he'd have to wait another 25 years to find out what was in those files.
I left 2 years later and he died of a massive heart attack the same day.
Bill
RE: P.T. Boats
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 7:32 pm
by geofflambert
Mounting a 37mm flak gun on that plywood speedboat might be enough to sink her (is it ok to address a boat as "she"?) when fired.
RE: P.T. Boats
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 7:34 pm
by geofflambert
m10bob, you used to have a signature that set my e-set off but no facsimile of that signature appears now. Nonetheless every time I open a thread that you have posted to my eset objects strenuously. Any idea why?
RE: P.T. Boats
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:02 pm
by spence
(is it ok to address a boat as "she"?)
I'm not sure but I think only "English-speakers" give a ship a feminine personality. I was in the Coast Guard and I can't think of any time I heard any boat crew refer to their boat (30 footers, 40 footers, 41 footers, 44 footers as if it was feminine but I'm pretty sure I did hear the crew of an 82 foot PB refer to their boat as a "she".
Incidentally referring to the first sentence of this post I know that a ship is a "he" in both the Russian and German navies. I once asked a Frenchman what the sex of his ship was and he stared at me like I was crazy. The noun bateau is masculine though so I think if a ship has any sex in French it's probably male. Be happy to hear any further thoughts on this topic from the international community to be found here.
RE: P.T. Boats
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:15 pm
by NigelKentarus
In the USN, a boat is a vessel a ship carries, ie motor whaleboat, RHIB boat, Zodiac, etc. However, all subs are boats.
RE: P.T. Boats
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:45 pm
by spence
Do submariners refer to their boats as a "she" or an "it"? ( or a "he"?)
RE: P.T. Boats
Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:38 am
by BBfanboy
ORIGINAL: geofflambert
Mounting a 37mm flak gun on that plywood speedboat might be enough to sink her (is it ok to address a boat as "she"?) when fired.
They put it on the foredeck and had to reinforce everything underneath the mount very heavily. I suppose they could have reduced the propellant charge too since the barges were not that heavily armoured and engagement ranges would be fairly close. I saw pics or I would have doubted the claim myself.
RE: P.T. Boats
Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:44 am
by BBfanboy
ORIGINAL: spence
(is it ok to address a boat as "she"?)
I'm not sure but I think only "English-speakers" give a ship a feminine personality. I was in the Coast Guard and I can't think of any time I heard any boat crew refer to their boat (30 footers, 40 footers, 41 footers, 44 footers as if it was feminine but I'm pretty sure I did hear the crew of an 82 foot PB refer to their boat as a "she".
Incidentally referring to the first sentence of this post I know that a ship is a "he" in both the Russian and German navies. I once asked a Frenchman what the sex of his ship was and he stared at me like I was crazy. The noun bateau is masculine though so I think if a ship has any sex in French it's probably male. Be happy to hear any further thoughts on this topic from the international community to be found here.
I think the feminine pronoun is a throwback to the days when British and American sailing ships usually had a female figurehead mounted below the bowsprit for luck, even though the sailors considered it bad luck to have a real woman on board.
RE: P.T. Boats
Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:25 am
by Aurorus
ORIGINAL: spence
I'm not sure but I think only "English-speakers" give a ship a feminine personality. I was in the Coast Guard and I can't think of any time I heard any boat crew refer to their boat (30 footers, 40 footers, 41 footers, 44 footers as if it was feminine but I'm pretty sure I did hear the crew of an 82 foot PB refer to their boat as a "she".
Incidentally referring to the first sentence of this post I know that a ship is a "he" in both the Russian and German navies. I once asked a Frenchman what the sex of his ship was and he stared at me like I was crazy. The noun bateau is masculine though so I think if a ship has any sex in French it's probably male. Be happy to hear any further thoughts on this topic from the international community to be found here.
In Spanish ship, barco, is a masculine noun, and all military-class ships (portaavion - aircraft carrier) are masculine. So all pronouns that refer to these nouns are masculine as well. El, lo, etc... . It is not uncommon, however, for Spanish speakers to give their ships female names: Santa Rosa, Santa Isabela, or Nuestra Señora de Calmuchita for example. A ship with a female name can be referred to by either the masculine or the feminine pronoun, depending upon context. For example, it would be appropriate to use the feminine pronoun in Spanish in the following sentence, ¨the Santa Rosa took a full broadside, and she shuddered at the impact.¨
My German and French are very rusty, but I believe that one sees the same usage in these languages as well.
RE: P.T. Boats
Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 7:10 am
by Leandros
ORIGINAL: NigelKentarus
In the USN, a boat is a vessel a ship carries, ie motor whaleboat, RHIB boat, Zodiac, etc. However, all subs are boats.
Is there not an international rule on this - vessels above 12 m. length, or 50 tons displacement, are formally "ships".
Otherwise, a "boat"?
Fred
RE: P.T. Boats
Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 12:45 pm
by m10bob
ORIGINAL: geofflambert
m10bob, you used to have a signature that set my e-set off but no facsimile of that signature appears now. Nonetheless every time I open a thread that you have posted to my eset objects strenuously. Any idea why?
I am not an IT type but I use Firefox and have an app they offer(free) which will "locate" stuff from the past internet memory banks, even when they no longer "exist" in current internet feeds..Tyler Design used to be the site which offered me the nice B 19 picture, but it is no longer an "active" picture..I suspect this is what you are referring to?
RE: P.T. Boats
Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 12:50 pm
by m10bob
ORIGINAL: geofflambert
Mounting a 37mm flak gun on that plywood speedboat might be enough to sink her (is it ok to address a boat as "she"?) when fired.
It was not the "flak" gun..It was the two wheeled light anti-tank gun..
The thing was capable of firing AP, HE, grape, smoke, etc.
At any rate, they never fired it in combat, and it was literally lashed to the deck with rope.
RE: P.T. Boats
Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 1:04 pm
by MakeeLearn
RE: P.T. Boats
Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 2:14 pm
by BBfanboy
ORIGINAL: m10bob
ORIGINAL: geofflambert
Mounting a 37mm flak gun on that plywood speedboat might be enough to sink her (is it ok to address a boat as "she"?) when fired.
It was not the "flak" gun..It was the two wheeled light anti-tank gun..
The thing was capable of firing AP, HE, grape, smoke, etc.
At any rate, they never fired it in combat, and it was literally lashed to the deck with rope.
I saw b&w photos in a book on PT boats. Both the A/T guns and a 40mm Bofors. It did not appear that the A/T gun was lashed on deck in the pictures, but the angle was low so it could have been.
RE: P.T. Boats
Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 2:22 pm
by m10bob
The 109 was exactly as you see it in this pic..It was a "one off" because the crew swiped it from a local Henderson Field unit.
Later, (and you can find many pics), the USN did make a number with 20mm Oerlikon and 40mm Bofors, right off the drawing board.
