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Should I be on the river or behind it for defense?

Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:28 pm
by winkr7
Hello;

Can someone point me to where rivers (and terrain effects) are explained? Most hex games use rivers on the hex edge and their is no ambiguity--but rivers are a full hex property in TOAW 4. I looked around the manual, but not too hard.

thanks lots.

RE: Should I be on the river or behind it for defense?

Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:34 pm
by DanNeely
behind the river.

RE: Should I be on the river or behind it for defense?

Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:34 pm
by Meyer1
Behind. Units attacking from a river hex suffer a penalty.

RE: Should I be on the river or behind it for defense?

Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:57 pm
by sPzAbt653
You are correct, it is not easy to find:

13.12.7. Unit Strengths in Water
Assaults
Non-Marine Land units attacking from River,
Super River, Canal, Suez Canal, or Deep Water
(Amphibious Assaults) have all Strengths
multiplied by 0.7.

RE: Should I be on the river or behind it for defense?

Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:11 am
by r6kunz
There is the answer in sPzAbt653 post.
Incidentally, this has been debated every iteration of TOAW. Very adamant advocates for both sides (no pun intended). Suffice to say that changing it would likely upset virtually every older scenario.
Cheers
RAK

RE: Should I be on the river or behind it for defense?

Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:59 am
by larryfulkerson
virtually every older scenario.
Actually, the T4 version scenarios are written to the TOAW standard right now so changing the rivers
to the hexside instead of inside the hex would break virtually EVERY scenario. They would all need
adjusting. Would they not? Especially the older ones.

RE: Should I be on the river or behind it for defense?

Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:38 pm
by AlbertN
Thus to "defend" in the River Hex gives any penalty?
Because I've seen then plenty of cities that also have a nice river crossing them in many maps.

RE: Should I be on the river or behind it for defense?

Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:46 pm
by Oberst_Klink
13.12.6. Combination of terrain and deployment
defence modifiers

Klink, Oberst

P.S. I might cover just that in Tutorial '43.

RE: Should I be on the river or behind it for defense?

Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:15 pm
by AlbertN
Thus River does not affect defence in any way - only attacking from a river hex.
How's a bridge computes into that?

RE: Should I be on the river or behind it for defense?

Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:22 pm
by Oberst_Klink
ORIGINAL: Cohen

Thus River does not affect defence in any way - only attacking from a river hex.
How's a bridge computes into that?
I will dedicate that one to my Tutorial '43... (in planning). After all, the area/setting of my scenario sooner or later demands it.

Klink, Oberst

RE: Should I be on the river or behind it for defense?

Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:10 pm
by Meyer1
ORIGINAL: Cohen

Thus River does not affect defence in any way - only attacking from a river hex.
How's a bridge computes into that?
You are correct, no penalty.