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Posted: **Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:22 pm**

As of 3/4/2019, all comments should be directed to The Next War - Expanded (Beta 1.0) thread.

I am in the process of updating The Next War 1979 (compliments to Bob Cross). Due to declassification of multiple CIA documents and other sources, I was able to greatly revise the Warsaw Pact Order of Battle, mobilization, and probable Front objectives. My intention is to try to keep the scenario as operational as possible while expanding the strategic scope of this possible war. Thus far:

- Expanded map to include Norway and some of Norwegian Sea. (Compliments to Pelle Holman's "Nordic Light")
- Created off-map boxes for the Military Districts of Leningrad, Baltic, Belorussian, Moscow, Carpathian, Kiev, and Odessa.
-revised unit names and locations of WP forces
- created Norwegian forces (Pelle Holman).
- tweaked the map

I will keep you posted on my progress. For now, here are some screenshots:

Posted: **Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:24 pm**

The National Intelligence Estimate maps of WP possible mobilizations and start of operations:

Posted: **Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:25 pm**

The Finmark region of Norway:

Posted: **Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:26 pm**

A portion of southern Norway:

Posted: **Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:28 pm**

Some of the Off-map mobilization boxes for the various Soviet Military Districts:

Posted: **Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:45 pm**

Another good resource is Michael Holm's website: http://www.ww2.dk/new/newindex.htm

Posted: **Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:35 am**

Wrong log in name.
RAK

Posted: **Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:38 am**

ORIGINAL: mussey

I am loving this game! It was adapted to TOAW by Bob Cross from the original SPI game by the team of Dunnigan, Herman, and Simonsen 1978. In my college days, I spent countless hours playing this board game as the early years of the 1980's Cold War raged in Europe.

Keith, I am really looking forward to this update of the scenario by Bob Cross. I read your original post and it also brought back many memories of the SPI board game. Thanks! (I was stationed in Germany at this time period.)

I, too, wanted to update a TOAW III Cold War scenario. I chose Red Thunder 1988 with the kind permission Eric Rutins, the original designer. It appears as Red Thunder II 1988 in the current TOAW IV. I used several references to NATO and Warsaw Pact forces circa 1988 by Andy Johnson, referenced in the included Game Documents.
Otherwise, I left the map, unit start locations, etc. intact. Especially the Events which give Deus ex machina results for the Battle of the Atlantic, Iceland, Pact revolts, NATO countries surrendering, etc.
I will certainly review your attached references.

I would appreciate any feedback you or others have on Red Thunder II, and I am looking forward to a test drive of your scenario.
cheers,
RAK

Posted: **Sun Dec 16, 2018 12:33 pm**

For some reason, the 16th December always reminds me about you, 'Hawkeye'. If only I had the time to PBEM your masterpiece - Ardennes '44!

Klink, Oberst

Posted: **Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:58 am**

Herr Oberst
Thank you for your kind words;
s/RAK
aka Hawkeye

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:42 am**

ORIGINAL: r6kunz

ORIGINAL: mussey

I am loving this game! It was adapted to TOAW by Bob Cross from the original SPI game by the team of Dunnigan, Herman, and Simonsen 1978. In my college days, I spent countless hours playing this board game as the early years of the 1980's Cold War raged in Europe.

Keith, I am really looking forward to this update of the scenario by Bob Cross. I read your original post and it also brought back many memories of the SPI board game. Thanks! (I was stationed in Germany at this time period.)

I, too, wanted to update a TOAW III Cold War scenario. I chose Red Thunder 1988 with the kind permission Eric Rutins, the original designer. It appears as Red Thunder II 1988 in the current TOAW IV. I used several references to NATO and Warsaw Pact forces circa 1988 by Andy Johnson, referenced in the included Game Documents.
Otherwise, I left the map, unit start locations, etc. intact. Especially the Events which give Deus ex machina results for the Battle of the Atlantic, Iceland, Pact revolts, NATO countries surrendering, etc.
I will certainly review your attached references.

I would appreciate any feedback you or others have on Red Thunder II, and I am looking forward to a test drive of your scenario.
cheers,
RAK

Thanks r6kunz. I have yet to look at Red Thunder 2, but as I dig deeper into Order of Battle sources I'm seeing much more detail for a 1980's scenario than a 1970's one.

As I expand the design of this one, several questions are nagging me. Because of the enlarged game map of Russia, I am unsure how/where to place the supply points. I need to read up more on the finer details of this. Do any of you have suggestions?

The other is how (or whether) to include NATO naval forces in the Norwegian Sea. The point is how far to increase the left (western) margin. My goal is to keep the game as operational as possible while increasing Soviet strategic options of invasion/reinforcement. As of now, this sea area extends west only several hexes out from the Norwegian coast.

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:45 am**

Another screenshot showing supply. Where to place supply points and how much to give perplexes me. Do I need on-map points if I have them in the off-map boxes?

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:52 am**

Murmansk area, shows the added units of the 21st Air Defense Corps and the Naval air units of the North Sea Fleet. Once again, I'm unsure of supply. Thus far I have a supply point at Murmansk and Pechanga. Both are naval bases.

Interestingly, the 61st Naval Infantry Rgt is based at Sputnik (Pechanga).

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:09 am**

Last screenshot for today. I extended the eastern map edge to include Budapest. This allows me to place the actual base locations of most units of the SSGF army and Hungarian units. Once again, supply (?). I have a supply point at Budapest...

The declassified 1979 National Intelligence Estimate indicates that WP units located here would compose a Danube Front, that would invade southern Austria and into northern Italy. This is one of several Fronts of the Southwestern Area TVD that includes WP forces in Bulgaria, Romania, Odessa MD, and Kiev MD are others.

Posted: **Fri Dec 28, 2018 3:23 pm**

I adjusted much of the North German Plain and changed unit colors. I'm not sure that the French colors serve them justice [X(].

Once I give all my changes a good review, I will begin play testing to see how all this works out...

Posted: **Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:46 am**

I posteda reply on the earlier comment about Next war. Do you want some help on the UK orbats?

Posted: **Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:57 am**

ORIGINAL: Colinwhittaker

I posteda reply on the earlier comment about Next war. Do you want some help on the UK orbats?

Absolutely! Any additional sources for the 1979 time period would be appreciated.

I recently added new US Reforger sites in Netherlands, Belgium, W. Germany, then added the US 1 Arm Cav Div, and US 5 Inf Div to their respective Reforger sites. I'm about to change the deployment of the 18th Airborne Corp to England (probably ahistorical) a game turn earlier so that they have the option of reinforcing any trouble in NATO including Norway, Denmark, Western Europe, or Italy...

As of now, the Event Editor has the deployment of many of these units tied up to events on the ground, and I'm trying to learn how it all works (I need a flow chart)... I think much of it is tied to possible Soviet occupation of these Reforger sites, others to the Battle of the Atlantic results, thus altering the timeline continuum...

Posted: **Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:09 am**

I added a portion of the UK up north all the way through Orkney, Shetland, and Faroe Islands. I did this for several reasons:
- a staging area for US forces not committed to Reforger hexes
- to enlarge the scope of future naval actions in the North and Norwegian Seas
- to base the actual NATO air units (9th US Air Force, and UK Sqdns)

I have no intention of expanding any further, nor to recreate the Battle of the Atlantic (BoA). Yet somehow I have to balance the conceptual BoA with actual naval forces already committed to map...

Posted: **Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:47 am**

Notes on location names -- corrections if not made already.

Kalingrad --> Kaliningrad
Berchtes-Gaden --> Berchtesgaden
Carneri --> Cameri
Wienter-Neustadt --> Wiener-Neustadt
Gross Dolin --> Gross Dolln
Gilzen Rijen --> Gilze Rijen
Ashaffenburg --> Aschaffenburg
Nurnburg --> Nurnberg
Luxeul --> Luxeuil
Laussane --> Lausanne
Tul --> Toul
Hamelin --> Hameln
Kobenhaven --> Kobenhavn
Bamburg --> Bamberg
St Truden --> St Truiden
Maastrich --> Maastricht
Sprangdahlem --> Spangdahlem
Luxembourge --> Luxembourg

(accented characters ignored)

Note on air bases. "AB" would be a shorter and more accurate designation. "AFB" is usually reserved for USAF bases on U.S. territory. Thus, Ramstein is "Ramstein Air Base", not "Ramstein AFB".

Also, on your new map, "Kaiserslautern" (adjacent to Ramstein) looks like it ends in -"stantern" ?

On edit: Zwichau --> Zwickau

Cheers

Posted: **Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:09 am**

ORIGINAL: cathar1244

Notes on location names -- corrections if not made already.

Kalingrad --> Kaliningrad
Berchtes-Gaden --> Berchtesgaden
Carneri --> Cameri
Wienter-Neustadt --> Wiener-Neustadt
Gross Dolin --> Gross Dolln
Gilzen Rijen --> Gilze Rijen
Ashaffenburg --> Aschaffenburg
Nurnburg --> Nurnberg
Luxeul --> Luxeuil
Laussane --> Lausanne
Tul --> Toul
Hamelin --> Hameln
Kobenhaven --> Kobenhavn
Bamburg --> Bamberg
St Truden --> St Truiden
Maastrich --> Maastricht
Sprangdahlem --> Spangdahlem
Luxembourge --> Luxembourg

(accented characters ignored)

Note on air bases. "AB" would be a shorter and more accurate designation. "AFB" is usually reserved for USAF bases on U.S. territory. Thus, Ramstein is "Ramstein Air Base", not "Ramstein AFB".

Also, on your new map, "Kaiserslautern" (adjacent to Ramstein) looks like it ends in -"stantern" ?

On edit: Zwichau --> Zwickau

Cheers

Thanks for the feedback. I made the corrections this morning. Good catch. [&o]

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