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Notre Dame
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:05 am
by Orm
Saddened that Notre-Dame de Paris has burned down.
And, I assume, that plenty of items from our history, and culture, has been lost in the fire. Invaluable items.
I wonder if people around the world can come together and help to restore Notre Dame?
Picture from:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre-Dame_de_Paris_fire
RE: Notre Dame
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:40 am
by JamesM
What a tragedy, it survived the French Revolution, Siege of Paris in 1870 and both World Wars. The French should be careful of renovations , first the SS Normandie and now this.
RE: Notre Dame
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:57 am
by GaryChildress
Cause of the fire is still unknown. Will be very interested to hear what they find out in the coming weeks.
RE: Notre Dame
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:00 am
by Zap
Saddened by the sight! A rebuild already in the planning
RE: Notre Dame
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:35 pm
by warspite1
I got the same feeling when the Cutty Sark went up in flames in 2007 (also during restoration work oddly enough). Just gut wrenchingly sad that there was a piece of history being destroyed in front of my eyes. They restored the beautiful tea clipper - no doubt they will do the same for this wonderful cathedral.
RE: Notre Dame
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:03 pm
by Lobster
Was very sad to hear about this fire. First indications are the fire was caused by renovation work. Already 500 million $ has been donated for rebuilding. One person donated 100 million euro.
RE: Notre Dame
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:12 pm
by Greybriar
What a tragedy! But
all was not lost.
RE: Notre Dame
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:13 pm
by RFalvo69
As of now, rich people around the world pledged about 600 millions Euro for the reconstruction. However, let's not lose the meaning of the word "pledge". Time will tell.
BTW, if the Vatican doesn't contribute even a little bit, this will be a bad egg on the Pope's face.
RE: Notre Dame
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:21 pm
by TulliusDetritus
ORIGINAL: RFalvo69
BTW, if the Vatican doesn't contribute even a little bit, this will be a bad egg on the Pope's face.
Notre Dame is owned by the state, it belongs to every French citizen. And that's what their taxes are for. Well spent money. Now if the crows want to splash da money... [:D]
RE: Notre Dame
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:24 pm
by Orm
Crows? Splash the money? I have no idea what that means. [:(]
[&:]
RE: Notre Dame
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:47 pm
by RFalvo69
ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus
ORIGINAL: RFalvo69
BTW, if the Vatican doesn't contribute even a little bit, this will be a bad egg on the Pope's face.
Notre Dame is owned by the state, it belongs to every French citizen. And that's what their taxes are for. [:D]
True. But the Vatican instead survives (among other things) via "offers": faithfuls forking their money while attending Mass (or when simply visiting a church).
So... your brothers are facing a disaster? Take a clue from what
you do.
RE: Notre Dame
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:52 pm
by TulliusDetritus
ORIGINAL: Orm
Crows? Splash the money? I have no idea what that means. [:(]
[&:]
This.
RE: Notre Dame
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:16 pm
by TulliusDetritus
ORIGINAL: RFalvo69
via "offers": faithfuls forking their money while attending Mass (or when simply visiting a church).
So... your brothers are facing a disaster? Take a clue from what you do.
You don't pay to visit Notre Dame, except the towers (and the money goes to
state coffers). "faithfuls forking their money" aka harvesting some petty money here and there is not their errr main
line of business.
http://www.notredamedeparis.fr/faq/
I'm just saying their help is irrelevant (and for all I care not expected) as the French citizenry will take care of their property.
EDIT: my mistake, only the [guided] tours (and "tour" means "tower" in French) are not free. I did not pay enough attention, apologies. One of the most beautiful cathedrals in the world, which I visited as I was born and lived in Paris
RE: Notre Dame
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:47 am
by rico21
It is wrong to say that the wrath of God fell on the merchants of the temple.[:-]
Even if they all give money to rebuild.[8D]
RE: Notre Dame
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:22 pm
by MrsWargamer
Saddened, yes. I love architecture.
The 800 year old version died.
They can rebuild a building that looks the same, but it won't be Notre Dame. We lost that.
I'm 'concerned' that so many millions were so easily found.
Where are all of these millions, when so many people are in need, and not just an 800 year old building?
I won't be praising these billionaires any time soon. Their greed is the route of the world's troubles.
And no, that wasn't a political comment. That was me speaking on society as a whole the whole world over.
But I am all the same sad we lost Notre Dame
RE: Notre Dame
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:42 pm
by Lecivius
From what little I have seen, it is not a write off. Yes, it will be different, but I was shocked at how much survived. A lot of the stained glass remains, the pulpit was damaged but not destroyed, many pews remain, etc. They actually had a human chain removing many artifacts. I read somewhere that one of the local priests and several firefighters, ran into the smoke & flames trying to save what they could.
Courage comes in may forms [&o]
<edit cause I appear to stink at spelling>
RE: Notre Dame
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:43 pm
by Lobster
ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer
Saddened, yes. I love architecture.
The 800 year old version died.
They can rebuild a building that looks the same, but it won't be Notre Dame. We lost that.
I'm 'concerned' that so many millions were so easily found.
Where are all of these millions, when so many people are in need, and not just an 800 year old building?
I won't be praising these billionaires any time soon. Their greed is the route of the world's troubles.
And no, that wasn't a political comment. That was me speaking on society as a whole the whole world over.
But I am all the same sad we lost Notre Dame
+infinity
RE: Notre Dame
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:22 pm
by Kuokkanen
ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer
I'm 'concerned' that so many millions were so easily found.
Where are all of these millions, when so many people are in need, and not just an 800 year old building?
I won't be praising these billionaires any time soon. Their greed is the route of the world's troubles.
Wouldn't that all apply to original Notre Dame when it was first built? And to great many other expensive construction works starting from pyramids?
RE: Notre Dame
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:23 pm
by GaryChildress
Let us pray to the heavenly father that when they do restore all that eloquent and meticulous detail it doesn't end up looking like the Liverpool Metropolitan Cathedral.
They just don't build things like they used to:
RE: Notre Dame
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:27 pm
by Orm
The horror... the horror...