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Do Axis minor units respawn if destroyed?

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 5:00 pm
by thedoctorking
Like it says. I thought I saw a Romanian unit respawn once but looking at the manual, it refers only to German (and Soviet) units.

RE: Do Axis minor units respawn if destroyed?

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 5:43 pm
by mrblonde1
I lost 2 hungarian divisions once and they respawned.

RE: Do Axis minor units respawn if destroyed?

Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 4:49 am
by morvael
I think all on map units respawn now. But I'm not sure if support units respawn. I think not.

RE: Do Axis minor units respawn if destroyed?

Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 5:44 am
by Chris21wen
ORIGINAL: morvael

I think all on map units respawn now. But I'm not sure if support units respawn. I think not.

Change to the manual then?

RE: Do Axis minor units respawn if destroyed?

Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 6:08 am
by Telemecus
ORIGINAL: Chris21wen
ORIGINAL: morvael
I think all on map units respawn now. But I'm not sure if support units respawn. I think not.
Change to the manual then?

I can confirm cases of Rumanian SUs (non-withdrawing) being destroyed and not respawning (Screenshots available if needed). What the reason is I do not know.

RE: Do Axis minor units respawn if destroyed?

Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 6:24 am
by morvael
1.08.08 suggests they should respawn:
40. Destroyed units of Axis allies, as well as all Axis support units will return as German onmap units do. On-map units will be frozen on refit for 3 turns with MAX TOE set to 50. Usually they will be placed in westernmost city having the same nationality. Support units will arrive at their national HQ with MAX TOE set to 50. There will be a message in the logistics log for every such unit.

RE: Do Axis minor units respawn if destroyed?

Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 6:30 am
by Chris21wen
ORIGINAL: morvael

1.08.08 suggests they should respawn:
40. Destroyed units of Axis allies, as well as all Axis support units will return as German onmap units do. On-map units will be frozen on refit for 3 turns with MAX TOE set to 50. Usually they will be placed in westernmost city having the same nationality. Support units will arrive at their national HQ with MAX TOE set to 50. There will be a message in the logistics log for every such unit.

I'll adjust the manual. missed that one i think.

RE: Do Axis minor units respawn if destroyed?

Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 6:42 am
by Telemecus
Also if I understand it correctly German support units that are withdrawing/disbanding do not respawn.

for example in the 8MP game 2/46 SP flak coy which goes on turn 50 was destroyed on turn 36.

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RE: Do Axis minor units respawn if destroyed?

Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 6:42 am
by Telemecus
It never came back - here is a screenshot from turn 38



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RE: Do Axis minor units respawn if destroyed?

Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 7:07 am
by morvael
Something to investigate.

RE: Do Axis minor units respawn if destroyed?

Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 7:05 pm
by 56ajax
If Soviet support units surrender (eg attached to a surrendering fort) they get respawned, if they are destroyed they do not. Thats how it used to be.

RE: Do Axis minor units respawn if destroyed?

Posted: Thu May 30, 2019 3:15 am
by Chris21wen
ORIGINAL: 56ajax

If Soviet support units surrender (eg attached to a surrendering fort) they get respawned, if they are destroyed they do not. Thats how it used to be.

Think I vaguely remember that but it never made sense then and still doesn't.

RE: Do Axis minor units respawn if destroyed?

Posted: Thu May 30, 2019 3:42 am
by morvael
I came to a conclusion that this whole part needs a rewrite, as it is a mess right now, of too many add-ons over a very simple base.

RE: Do Axis minor units respawn if destroyed?

Posted: Thu May 30, 2019 6:33 am
by Chris21wen
Removed

Forget what I did write here. I'm blind, stupid or both.

RE: Do Axis minor units respawn if destroyed?

Posted: Thu May 30, 2019 6:37 am
by morvael
I have copied the text from whatsnew.pdf, don't know why you can't find it.