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These were discussions beta testing had and was implemented into the game.

Nice!!!!!

Based on your familiarity and work with Strategic Command, I was wondering what you were able to accomplish with WarPlan that is different ?

WarPlan is close to World in Flames and War in the East than Strategic Command. If you look at the other posts I answered you can see the different.

But if you want some differences

SC decision events based on questions
WP strategic and operational decisions based on deep thinking.

SC single unit per hex = less clutter
WP land, air, naval fleet stacking per hex (fleet = 1 or more naval groups)

SC attack 1v1 at a time for more tactical feel
WP attack with odds for more operational feel

SC focuses more on graphics
WP focuses more on interface

Also read the product page.

WarPlan is close to World in Flames and War in the East than Strategic Command.

Ah, my misunderstanding! Neither of those games is for me, and I have SC3 so no sense in getting something similar, but thanks for taking time to answer and best wishes on success for WP!

Well they are all similar. The common thing it does have with SC3 is it's simple to play which is a key element.

Anyways if you aren't sure just wait till some play videos come out and you can see for yourself if you want to get it or not.

ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653

Ah, my misunderstanding! Neither of those games is for me, and I have SC3 so no sense in getting something similar, but thanks for taking time to answer and best wishes on success for WP!

You will miss something very good : I played SC1, SC2,SC3 and Warplan

SC1 was a little wargame but perfect for the "grand strategique" scale

SC2 and SC3 are good games, but I stopped to use them and returned to Strategic Command 1

Why ? : because, even tough SC 1 is too simple, the "grand strategique scale" is respected, not in SC2/SC3. There are good games, but is is not "grand strategic" scale : when I have to use on map AA units in 1 hex, and AT units in one hex, that is a mix of "grand strategic scale" and "tactic scale" : I have not the sensation to conduct a war at "grand strategic scale" even if playing with these 2 games gives pleasure).

With the arrival of Warplan, I have exactly this sensation : to conduct the war at "grand strategic" scale. It's difficult to explain, but I think that a player of SC2/SC3 should try warplan, to see that these games come from very different conception

I can't stand SC games. I hope WP is nothing like them. I love games like Third Reich or AWAW. ETO/PTO. All board games. I am yet to find a PC game that comes even close to them. A PC version of AWAW would be perfect.

I think your problems describing the difference between the games, Welk, in fact describes it very well.

I have played SCWaW since Christmas, and with the help of your map, IronX counters and some of my own modifications, I have enjoyed it a lot. But I don't like, just accept, some of it's peculiarities. It will be nice to try something devoid of AT and AA corps, one-unit-at-the-time-attacks and "let's see if we can find some uboats-clicking".

But how does War Plan handle politics?

ORIGINAL: Michael T
I love games like Third Reich

Me too : I was a 1000 % lover of Third Reich PC, and War plan is a great successor for it. I can say that Warplan is a real wargame, not just a map with lot of units and lot of details and lot of micro gestion : like in Third Reich, you have to conduct the war with intelligence and take great decisions (but no any fastidious micro gestion to do).

ORIGINAL: Uxbridge

But how does War Plan handle politics?

Units in Warplan may move and attack sevreal times : if a unit has needed potential, it may move 1,2,2 etc times. And same for attacks. But you have to take care, because oil is spent for some units in move and combat, and attacks causes attrition for your units...

Diplomacy may be set "on" or "off" (player choice what he want in options). If set "on", you may (like in Third Reich) declare war, but you may also propose peace, sometimes agreement, or try to intimidate (see attached, that shows the diplomacy panel

In addition, you may receive importations from some of neutrals or from your allies, and you may send exportations (help) to your allies (like in Third Reich).

I have to say that SC2/SC3 are very good games for players who want manage lot of units on map with single action for each unit, and who like to mix strategic and tactic

But for players who prefer have less units on map with several actions for each unit and do not want to mix strategic and tactic, Warplan is the good way (like Third Reich, you have not large number of units on the map, but you have to use them with hability)


What I may say also is that : as old wargamer, I had decided to stop the hobby because I love not the new orientation of wargames PC (lot of 3D kitch, no strategic depth, etc). By chance, I have seen on a french wargamers forum a information about warplan and I did go just "to see". In addition, for a last try before to stop wargames, I decided to candidate for beta, to see the game closer. My intention was to let it if bad game and to quit the beta, after I have seen. But at first seconds, I have seen immediatly that I had found a second Third Reich PC : gret pleasure, a real re-birth of wargame

Sounds splendid.

I played Third Reich in the 80's as a board game and liked it much. I bought the computerized version, but never understood how to play it. But this looks so good. I would really like a game the way you describe it.

ORIGINAL: Uxbridge

Sounds splendid.

I played Third Reich in the 80's as a board game and liked it much. I bought the computerized version, but never understood how to play it.

In my case, I had to translate from english the complete PC manuel before to understand this PC version, and it took me 1 entire month ! But after that, I had years of pleasure, you missed something great : Third Reich PC was Third Reich without any manual calculation (odds, etc) : just the pleasure of Third Reich game = great, great game

In Strategic Command 1 (the first of the serie), I found the same pleasure as Third Reich but the map was too little and not very detailled

With Warplan, I have again a perfect "Third Reich -Avallon Hill" pleasure to play

I suppose I had other options at the time of the PC-version of Third Reich. Regrettably, I never took your pains to learn it.

The board game that held me captive longest was SPI/TSR's European Theatre of Operations. That is what I would like to see in a computerized verion, but nothing as yet has ever come close. War Plan might just be that game. [:)]

ORIGINAL: Michael T

I can't stand SC games. I hope WP is nothing like them. I love games like Third Reich or AWAW. ETO/PTO. All board games. I am yet to find a PC game that comes even close to them. A PC version of AWAW would be perfect.

A shame GMT has not decided yet to do mounted maps for AWAW even inside the 3rd Printing. [&:]

SPI/TSR's European Theatre of Operations

Nice wargame
https://boardgamegeek.com/image/284143/ ... operations

Yes, it had exactly the right scale for everything, including tactical battles between capital ships. It took a while to learn all the rules, but I think I bought ETO three times in different versions. All of them are lost now.

I only play AWAW via vassal these days as I have no local opponents.

If you liked Third Reich you would love AWAW.

Warplan sounds good so far. I hope it has nice PBEM or PBEM++ features.

it has PBEM and PBEM++ on the server

Great, as PBEM/PBEM++ is the only way I play. Playing against the AI has no interest for me, though I acknowledge this method of play is favoured by many.

For me the challenge of competing with another human is the most fun.