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Mostly directed to Allied Players.[8D]

What are some good names for Allied Carriers ? Suggestions ?

i.e. Replacing Lexington II Yorktown II Hornet II assuming you choose to do so ?

I have used American Revolutionary War Battles as a previous theme

(i) Ticonderoga
(ii) Monmouth
(iii) Waxhaws

Once past Lexington / Saratoga / Cowpens / Bunker Hill - all the good names are kinda gone.

"Germantown" "Harlem Heights" "Quebec" "Moore's Creek Bridge" don't appeal to me.

Was there an actual nomenclature adopted for Enterprise / Hornet / Wasp that I have failed to read about (or forgotten ) ? I do know Enterprise is a storied ship name uncertain of the others.

I recall one thread / AAR where the Allied Commander renamed all incoming Carriers Soryu or some such thing - a little маскировка

But I was trying to come up with easier names based on a USN tradition.

ORIGINAL: Macclan5

Mostly directed to Allied Players.[8D]

What are some good names for Allied Carriers ? Suggestions ?

i.e. Replacing Lexington II Yorktown II Hornet II assuming you choose to do so ?

I have used American Revolutionary War Battles as a previous theme

(i) Ticonderoga
(ii) Monmouth
(iii) Waxhaws

Once past Lexington / Saratoga / Cowpens / Bunker Hill - all the good names are kinda gone.

"Germantown" "Harlem Heights" "Quebec" "Moore's Creek Bridge" don't appeal to me.

Was there an actual nomenclature adopted for Enterprise / Hornet / Wasp that I have failed to read about (or forgotten ) ? I do know Enterprise is a storied ship name uncertain of the others.

I recall one thread / AAR where the Allied Commander renamed all incoming Carriers Soryu or some such thing - a little маскировка

But I was trying to come up with easier names based on a USN tradition.

Princeton (actual CVL), Trenton, Monmouth, Valley Forge, Brandywine; I'd have to do some research to come up with more.

I also like Ticonderoga, Concord, Lincoln, Grant, (never thought of Valley Forge, like it!) Green Mountain

I believe the Ticonderoga arrives in early 1944 and was the first of "long hulled" Essex class CV's so you might create a problem if you reused that name. Personally, I like to reuse the names.
Long live the WaspII!

In my current game Allies vs. AI the original Hornet and Wasp managed to survive until late Nov. 1943. I renamed their replacements as:

Hornet II = Valley Forge
Wasp II = Constellation

The Enterprise, Hornet and Wasp are named after some of the very first ships in the US Navy (Revolutionary war). Very storied ships. The Essex falls into this category as well. I might take a walk to the bookcase and see what other likely candidates might be.

In actuality all these vessels had previous names, which were then changed for those which were lost. One even had its original name on the keel plate, which is done (or was) for all U.S. ships. I think it was too far along to change the keel plate name.

ORIGINAL: fcooke

The Enterprise, Hornet and Wasp are named after some of the very first ships in the US Navy (Revolutionary war). Very storied ships. The Essex falls into this category as well. I might take a walk to the bookcase and see what other likely candidates might be.

That is the piece I did not fully realize or recall.

Enterprise yes... Hornet Wasp Essex I did not seem to have realized

Now I need to wiki US revolutionary warships and ignore Barbary Coast

ORIGINAL: Macclan5

Mostly directed to Allied Players.[8D]

What are some good names for Allied Carriers ? Suggestions ?

i.e. Replacing Lexington II Yorktown II Hornet II assuming you choose to do so ?

I have used American Revolutionary War Battles as a previous theme

(i) Ticonderoga
(ii) Monmouth
(iii) Waxhaws

Once past Lexington / Saratoga / Cowpens / Bunker Hill - all the good names are kinda gone.

"Germantown" "Harlem Heights" "Quebec" "Moore's Creek Bridge" don't appeal to me.

Was there an actual nomenclature adopted for Enterprise / Hornet / Wasp that I have failed to read about (or forgotten ) ? I do know Enterprise is a storied ship name uncertain of the others.

But I was trying to come up with easier names based on a USN tradition.

I recommend:

I. Famous/Prominent US warships in naval history

Enterprise, Hornet, and Wasp were all previously used for warships in the Continental Navy during the Revolution, though I can't say with any certainty if that's why they were picked. Some of the later ships with those names had distinguished careers, which might have helped in name selection. In 1799, USS Enterprise (a ship of 14 guns) fired the first American shots of the Barbary War. The USS Hornet and USS Wasp were both sloops of war in War of 1812. The Wasp captured HMS Frolic (before being promptly captured by British 74 gun ship-of the-line) and the Hornet sank HMS Peacock in a short and bloody action.

Essex and Kearsarge were named after famous American warships from the War of 1812 and the Civil War.

I've always been partial to the First Six Frigates (minus Constitution of course), so United States, President, Chesapeake (to break the curse surrounding her name), Congress, and Constellation. You could also use Macedonian, Java, Gurriere and Insurgent , which were all names of foreign warships defeated by US frigates in single-ship duels.

II. Major Battles from American history

From the Revolution: Stony Point, Guilford Courthouse, King's Mountain, Sullivan's Island, Monmouth Courthouse, and Flamborough Head (might be too long)

From Northwest Indian War and War of 1812: Fallen Timbers, Tippecanoe, Lundy's Lane, Chippewa and Fort McHenry

Mexican-American War: Cerro Gordo, Beuna Vista, and Monterrey

Civil War: Stones River, Shiloh, Missionary Ridge, Malvern Hill, and Appomattox

Looked it up at Wikipedia.. assuming its accurate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: ... ental_Navy

New tactic suggested for Allied PBEM players

Rename all potential Carriers "USS Surprise"

That should put some fear of ambiguity in your opponent [8D]

Surprise, the first American naval ship of the name, was a sloop that the Continental Navy purchased in 1777

Thanks Lovejoy...

Very strong suggestions in there... Congress - Constellation - Chesapeake

Simpler and easy to input.

Flamborough Head not so much though I did use plain Flamborough last game.

FWIW, I did an alternate history once (starting pre-war), and took the liberty of giving all the US fleet carriers proper names; they all got named after important battles (something of a narrow squeeze since Lexington and Saratoga were named before they were even carriers... but the names work, so...).

Lexington
Saratoga
Yorktown
Ticonderoga
Bunker Hill
Nassau
Long Island
Princeton
Oriskany
Stanwix
Bennington
Monmouth

Then I switched to the Civil War:

Antietam
Gettysburg
Chickamauga
Chancellorsville
Shiloh
Bull Run
Manassas
Fredericksburg
Vicksburg
Cold Harbor
Mobile Bay
Petersburg
Hampton Roads
Harpers Ferry
Brandy Station
Lynchburg
Appomattox
Sumter

There were battles on some of the lakes during both the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812. Lake Champlain and Lake Erie come to mind. IIRC there was a U.S. vessel named for Champlain. Don't know about Erie. Could use some of the vessel names from those battles.

Couldn't find the book (a bit unorganized after recent move). In any case the 'original six' frigates names have generally been re-used. The six were:

Constitution - can't use her as she was still in commission in WW2
Constellation - fair game as someone else already pointed out
United States - Hasn't been one since the frigate, though the aborted first super carrier was to be so named. Seems to be an aversion to using the countries name on ships due to the morale implications if sunk. Germany renamed one of her pocket battleships for just this reason.
Congress - fair game - there have been a number over the years - one of which was destroyed by the Merrimac in Hampton roads during the civil war.
President - captured during the war of 1812 - the USN does not seem to re-use names of captured ships.
Chesapeake - effectively captured in the pseudo was with the royal navy before the war of 1812, but the Royal Navy let her go. Captured a 2nd time during the war of 1812. No ships named such since.

USS Alliance might be another good name.

Another side note: some shipbuilding notes I have list the original names for several ships:

CV-10 (became Yorktown II) was Bon Homme Richard
CV-12 (became Hornet II) was Kearsarge
CV-16 (became Lexington II) was Cabot
CV-18 (became Wasp II) was Oriskany
CV-19 (became Hancock) was Ticonderoga
CV-32 (became Leyte) was Crown Point
CV-37 (became Princeton II) was Valley Forge

As a bonus, CVE-57 was originally named the Coral Sea, but her name was changed to Anzio in order to 'free up' that name for CVB-43.
Likewise CVE-63 (originally Midway) was renamed St. Lo (to free up that name for CVB-41)... and was sunk 40 days later off Samar.

ORIGINAL: rustysi

There were battles on some of the lakes during both the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812. Lake Champlain and Lake Erie come to mind. IIRC there was a U.S. vessel named for Champlain. Don't know about Erie. Could use some of the vessel names from those battles.

USS Erie (PG-50) was a sister to USS Charleston, a beloved ship of mine for her excellent range and general escort-iness in the game. Erie was sunk in late 1942 in the Caribbean.

USS Lake Champlain was CV-39.

The Enterprise, Hornet and Wasp are named after some of the very first ships in the US Navy (Revolutionary war). Very storied ships. The Essex falls into this category as well. I might take a walk to the bookcase and see what other likely candidates might be.

Then there should be a USS Ranger - IIRC it was one of the first frigates of the Continental Navy and it later became the name of a US aircraft carrier. Oops forgot about the one in the Atlantic (CV-4).

ORIGINAL: Macclan5

Looked it up at Wikipedia.. assuming its accurate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: ... ental_Navy

New tactic suggested for Allied PBEM players

Rename all potential Carriers "USS Surprise"

That should put some fear of ambiguity in your opponent [8D]

Surprise, the first American naval ship of the name, was a sloop that the Continental Navy purchased in 1777

Along the same line as Shangri La. You'll have to Wiki or Google the back story, if you don't know it.

ORIGINAL: spence

The Enterprise, Hornet and Wasp are named after some of the very first ships in the US Navy (Revolutionary war). Very storied ships. The Essex falls into this category as well. I might take a walk to the bookcase and see what other likely candidates might be.

Then there should be a USS Ranger - IIRC it was one of the first frigates of the Continental Navy and it later became the name of a US aircraft carrier. Oops forgot about the one in the Atlantic (CV-4).

Sorry, pet peeve: while she isn't modeled in stock, USS Ranger (CV-4) *did* serve in the Pacific. From DANFS:

"On 11 July 1944 she departed Norfolk, transited the Panama Canal 5 days later, and embarked several hundred Army passengers at Balboa for transportation to San Diego, arriving there 25 July.

After embarking the men and aircraft of Night Fighting Squadron 102 and nearly a thousand marines, she sailed for Hawaiian waters 28 July, reaching Pearl Harbor 3 August. During the next 3 months she conducted night carrier training operations out of Pearl Harbor.

Ranger departed Pearl Harbor 18 October to train pilots for combat duty. Operating out of San Diego under Commander, Fleet Air, Alameda, she continued training air groups and squadrons along the California coast throughout the remainder of the war."

Navsource lists her decorations as including the Asiatic-Pacific Campaign Medal.

It's the Brits who come up with the worst names, but even the Star Trek writers come up with doozies. The Reliant? What's that supposed to mean? Looks like a synonym for dependent.