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BrianG v Bitburg (open for all)

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:00 pm
by BrianG
My next war has begun.

No +1, normal bad blizzard. I thought we were doing variable weather but I mishit the key and it is historical weather.

Turn 1 went well:

Im trying to improve my Germans in following areas:

Air management and in supply to panzers. Air management as in moving planes mostly thru air transfer and saving miles flown.

Air attacks reported here. Never a large number for me

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RE: BrianG v Bitburg (no bit for now)

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:02 pm
by BrianG
My Brest attack.



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RE: BrianG v Bitburg (no bit for now)

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:04 pm
by BrianG
South open.

Nice normal cut em off. Good Russian troops will get away but I can't or won't attempt the larger south encirclement.

pockets secure!

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RE: BrianG v Bitburg (no bit for now)

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:05 pm
by BrianG
open north.

a nice number of routed units in pockets

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RE: BrianG v Bitburg (no bit for now)

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:06 pm
by BrianG
and the middle Turn 1:

all pockets look good!

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BrianG v Bitburg turn 2

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:09 pm
by BrianG
Open

Russian heavy retreat leaving little to no zoc pressure on German tanks.

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RE: BrianG v Bitburg turn 2

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:12 pm
by BrianG
south close turn 2

Bad pocket by Germans.



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RE: BrianG v Bitburg turn 2

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:13 pm
by BrianG
Minsk I advance east , not much in the way.

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RE: BrianG v Bitburg turn 2

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:13 pm
by BrianG
more Minsk final

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RE: BrianG v Bitburg turn 2

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:14 pm
by BrianG
and Pskov line.
So far a lot better than my last game v. HYLA

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BrianG v Bitburg turn 3

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:19 pm
by BrianG
So down south I get in a good hasty.

Then I look at it:

Stavka must have been within 5 hexes of the battle and supplied 4 PVO AA battalions to the defense? Is this a correct analysis of the battle pane?

Seems very odd and extremely rare.

Or did the little town somehow contain 4 PVO aa Battalions?

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RE: BrianG v Bitburg turn 3

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:22 pm
by BrianG
south turn 3 final. I surround a few good Russian units which did not slip away.

One pocket is breakable. Maybe both .

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RE: BrianG v Bitburg turn 3

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:24 pm
by BrianG
Gomel approach final

Good tank units are primed for quick seizure of Gomel.

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RE: BrianG v Bitburg turn 3

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:27 pm
by BrianG
North final

Pskov line is not defended and no units placed as rear guard blockers.


We advance, happy with the light defense.

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RE: BrianG v Bitburg turn 3

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:28 pm
by BrianG
final 3

larger view of the unmolested advance

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RE: BrianG v Bitburg turn 3

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:52 pm
by Seminole
Not even forcing you to exert contact in good terrain at the extent of your MP range, but giving you just free reign, is antithetical to anything I can imagine trying.
Looking forward to seeing how this turns out.

RE: BrianG v Bitburg turn 3

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:16 am
by Telemecus
I am so glad to see this AAR. I was so worried this game would go without one and for a worthy opponent it deserves this. Many thanks BrianG!

ORIGINAL: BrianG
Stavka must have been within 5 hexes of the battle and supplied 4 PVO AA battalions to the defense? Is this a correct analysis of the battle pane?

Seems very odd and extremely rare.

Or did the little town somehow contain 4 PVO aa Battalions?

Is 16 Tank division that was attacked the one bordered in red?

There is a funny rule in the manual that AA activates when airgroups OVERFLIES a hex, not just the hex where the battle takes place. There are different interpretations and not have them have ever fitted for all cases I know of. But at least one description in this case would say the airgroups overflew a unit which is directly assigned to STAVKA which was then in range (?) to commit its flak. But this unit might not have been at 81,98 but somewhere else completely different.

RE: BrianG v Bitburg turn 3

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:55 am
by BrianG
Is 16 Tank division that was attacked the one bordered in red? There is a funny rule in the manual that AA activates when airgroups OVERFLIES a hex, not just the hex where the battle takes place. There are different interpretations and not have them have ever fitted for all cases I know of. But at least one description in this case would say the airgroups overflew a unit which is directly assigned to STAVKA which was then in range (?) to commit its flak. But this unit might not have been at 81,98 but somewhere else completely different.

yes I hasty attacked the Russian tank div after surrounding it.


Very odd.

RE: BrianG v Bitburg (no bit for now)

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:09 am
by timmyab
I'm not sure about sending 2nd pz group towards Gomel.
Firstly the Soviet player can make it difficult for 2nd pz to cross here if he guesses your intention. Secondly supply is going to be a problem once you cross the Dnieper. Thirdly after securing the Dnieper crossing you will likely be faced with another strong river line defense. And lastly 2nd pz group seems to be posing little or no threat in the Gomel area, short of supplies and in a strategic backwater.

RE: BrianG v Bitburg (no bit for now)

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:17 am
by Telemecus
ORIGINAL: timmyab
And lastly 2nd pz group seems to be posing little or no threat in the Gomel area, short of supplies and in a strategic backwater.

Which leads to another question where is your rail repair. Are you concentrating FBDs in the Baltics and Rumania rather than where they start the scenario. The supply issue will probably be true in either case, but much more so if rail repair is not along/next to the marshes in the early turns.