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Finnish attack in the winter
Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:40 pm
by jesperpehrson
Help us understand why this attack is not +13.
RE: Finnish attack in the winter
Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:50 pm
by Centuur
Just before the die roll for the attack gets rolled, Germany should get the question if the winterized units lead the attack. If you do (and of course you do so), the attack should end up being a +13.
RE: Finnish attack in the winter
Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 8:40 pm
by jesperpehrson
I am quite sure this did not happen as we went ahead with a +3 on the dieroll manually.
And why is it not added as other bonuses?
Confusing!
RE: Finnish attack in the winter
Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:48 pm
by Shannon V. OKeets
Partisans get a +1 to their combat factors in forest (regardless of weather).
So it is 14:2 => +14 with -4 for the weather => +10.
The choice for using the snow units is later in the sequence of play.
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// ****************************************************************************
// Land combat resolution subphases.
// ****************************************************************************
TLandCombatResSubPhase = (
LCRspLandCombatSelection, // RAC 11.16.5.
LCRspDefSnowUnits, // RAC 8.2.7.
LCRspAttSnowUnits, // RAC 8.2.7.
LCRspChooseCombatType, // RAC 11.16.5 & 11.16.6.
LCRspLandCombatResolution, // RAC 11.16.5 & 11.16.6.
LCRspAssignLosses, // RAC 11.16.5.
LCRspConvertShattered, // RAC 11.16.5.
LCRspHexControl, // RAC 11.11.6 (overruns)
LCRspRetreats, // RAC 11.16.5.
LCRspAdvanceAfterCombat // RAC 11.16.5.
===
If you include snow units in the attack, then it should be +13 (all the Finns are snow units, hence +3).
RE: Finnish attack in the winter
Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:16 am
by jesperpehrson
What is the reasoning for not including this in the form to begin with? Using an engineer for instance you have to chose while declaring combat.
RE: Finnish attack in the winter
Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:59 pm
by palne
The engineer is a bit tricky because if you use it's ability it effects how losses are assigned.
RE: Finnish attack in the winter
Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:38 pm
by Shannon V. OKeets
ORIGINAL: jesperpehrson
What is the reasoning for not including this in the form to begin with? Using an engineer for instance you have to chose while declaring combat.
I do not know.
It was coded this way when I inherited the code from Chris back in 2004.
Perhaps it is this way because both sides get to choose whether to use the benefits of their Snow/Winterized units - which means they would have to take the first loss. None of that applies to defending engineer units.
RE: Finnish attack in the winter
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:34 pm
by jesperpehrson
Is there actually a choice to use the winterized bonus? I did not get any choice. If you want to try it our for yourself I have a save where you can try it.
My suggestion would be to have it show it with the +X-number.
RE: Finnish attack in the winter
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:47 pm
by Joseignacio
ORIGINAL: jesperpehrson
Is there actually a choice to use the winterized bonus? I did not get any choice. If you want to try it our for yourself I have a save where you can try it.
My suggestion would be to have it show it with the +X-number.
According to Steve it should, or there is a bug, I understand.
Partisans get a +1 to their combat factors in forest (regardless of weather).
So it is 14:2 => +14 with -4 for the weather => +10.
The choice for using the snow units is later in the sequence of play.
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If you include snow units in the attack, then it should be +13 (all the Finns are snow units, hence +3).