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Surface raiders too powerful
Posted: Sat May 09, 2020 8:18 pm
by sveint
In my latest game as the Allies (beta patch) I've sunk almost the entire German merchant navy in a few months (off Norway).
RE: Surface raiders too powerful
Posted: Sat May 09, 2020 8:28 pm
by ncc1701e
I can't see your image.
RE: Surface raiders too powerful
Posted: Sat May 09, 2020 8:50 pm
by sveint
Now hopefully with image.

RE: Surface raiders too powerful
Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 1:26 am
by sveint
I think an easy and fairly historical fix would be to disallow surface raiders on the iron ore route.
If not, Germany needs the option to turn it off. The Allies can easily keep Germany at 0 merchants the whole game.
RE: Surface raiders too powerful
Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 6:32 am
by sillyflower
You can turn any trade convoy off in the convoys screen.
RE: Surface raiders too powerful
Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 7:11 am
by sveint
ORIGINAL: sillyflower
You can turn any trade convoy off in the convoys screen.
But the iron ore route jumps between Norway and the Baltic. You don't want to turn it off in the Baltic.
RE: Surface raiders too powerful
Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 9:10 am
by ncc1701e
Svein, I am up at something against this convoy system still linked to this thread:
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4801961
Before sending my next turn, I would like you to confirm the below instructions:
1. Please continue to do some surface, submarine raiding against the iron ore route.
2. In two turns, I will declare war as
Germany against
Norway but I will not invade it. I will ask you not to invade
Norway also. I will explain why later.
3. I will open a corridor for the
Polish army to reach
Danzig and repair the railway between
Warsaw - Lodz - Poznan. I will ask you to reach those cities but do not invade, I repeat, do not invade
Konigsberg.
Please confirm you have read this message. I will then proceed with my turn.
Thanks
RE: Surface raiders too powerful
Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 5:29 pm
by Dalwin
ORIGINAL: sveint
ORIGINAL: sillyflower
You can turn any trade convoy off in the convoys screen.
But the iron ore route jumps between Norway and the Baltic. You don't want to turn it off in the Baltic.
You could always activate the route during the summer and deactivate it in the winter. Also some production of escorts along with some research to improve them, as well as naval bombers in Norway, should make raiding that route a bit expensive for the Allies.
RE: Surface raiders too powerful
Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 6:33 pm
by sveint
ORIGINAL: ncc1701e
Svein, I am up at something against this convoy system still linked to this thread:
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4801961
Before sending my next turn, I would like you to confirm the below instructions:
1. Please continue to do some surface, submarine raiding against the iron ore route.
2. In two turns, I will declare war as
Germany against
Norway but I will not invade it. I will ask you not to invade
Norway also. I will explain why later.
3. I will open a corridor for the
Polish army to reach
Danzig and repair the railway between
Warsaw - Lodz - Poznan. I will ask you to reach those cities but do not invade, I repeat, do not invade
Konigsberg.
Please confirm you have read this message. I will then proceed with my turn.
Thanks
Sure OK but it just turns our game into a test.
RE: Surface raiders too powerful
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 2:18 pm
by ncc1701e
ORIGINAL: sveint
ORIGINAL: ncc1701e
Svein, I am up at something against this convoy system still linked to this thread:
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4801961
Before sending my next turn, I would like you to confirm the below instructions:
1. Please continue to do some surface, submarine raiding against the iron ore route.
2. In two turns, I will declare war as
Germany against
Norway but I will not invade it. I will ask you not to invade
Norway also. I will explain why later.
3. I will open a corridor for the
Polish army to reach
Danzig and repair the railway between
Warsaw - Lodz - Poznan. I will ask you to reach those cities but do not invade, I repeat, do not invade
Konigsberg.
Please confirm you have read this message. I will then proceed with my turn.
Thanks
Sure OK but it just turns our game into a test.
Yes you are right. Forgot of this, I can reproduce in hotseat mode.
Please confirm you have read this message. I will then proceed with my turn. [:D]
RE: Surface raiders too powerful
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 2:51 pm
by sveint
OK read it
RE: Surface raiders too powerful
Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 3:34 am
by LiquidSky
I always turn off the North Sea route until I take norway. Then I use a bomber or two to discourage any Allied attempts at interdicting. And usually turn it off then too.
RE: Surface raiders too powerful
Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 10:57 am
by AlvaroSousa
You only need it on in the winter months. The new scenario makes it MUCH easier for Germany to defend this line with naval and aircraft
RE: Surface raiders too powerful
Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 2:52 pm
by ncc1701e
Here here that is what I call the
sveint's maneuver (in reference of the famous
Picard's maneuver in
Star Trek)
fb.asp?m=4821190
In
one single turn, half of the
German merchant marine is at the bottom of the ocean (
18 MMs):
fb.asp?m=4821206
Alvaro,
sveint himself thinks this is too powerful. Did you look at it?