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Landing Zone Overrun before Combat?
Posted: Fri May 22, 2020 6:52 pm
by rkr1958
Here's the situation:
(1) German II Para corps dropped well behind the French lines on hex 54,30.
(2) French elect to use the notional.
(3) Before the drop is resolved, a breakthrough is achieved in a prior land combat and the landing zone is overrun.
(4) Shouldn't the II Para drop now be automatic as now Germany controls the drop hex?
RE: Landing Zone Overrun before Combat?
Posted: Fri May 22, 2020 6:54 pm
by rkr1958
game turn at the start of the land combat resolution phase.
MWiF version 3.1.0.5
RE: Landing Zone Overrun before Combat?
Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 7:19 am
by Centuur
From the FAQ:
You get a B result in land combat and
could move into a hex where a combat is
to follow (only possible with a notional
being invaded / paradropped on), you:
(a) Move in for free making the paradrop /
invasion obsolete
OR (b) Have to overrun the notional with the
notional having whatever combat factors it
has due to the declared paradrop /
invasion
OR (c) Cannot move into the hex?
Answer:
(a), it could mean you are overstacked
though (after the landing) in which case
some units may die. Date 29/11/2007
So you've found a bug here. However, there's no gamesave included. Can you post it so that Steve can fix this?
RE: Landing Zone Overrun before Combat?
Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 10:06 am
by Courtenay
ORIGINAL: Centuur
From the FAQ:
You get a B result in land combat and
could move into a hex where a combat is
to follow (only possible with a notional
being invaded / paradropped on), you:
(a) Move in for free making the paradrop /
invasion obsolete
OR (b) Have to overrun the notional with the
notional having whatever combat factors it
has due to the declared paradrop /
invasion
OR (c) Cannot move into the hex?
Answer:
(a), it could mean you are overstacked
though (after the landing) in which case
some units may die. Date 29/11/2007
So you've found a bug here. However, there's no gamesave included. Can you post it so that Steve can fix this?
It is also possible to advance into a hex where combat is to occur on an overrun. This is covered in RAC:
Clarification: An advance after combat into a second hex can result in you occupying a hex that you have already declared you are going to attack. This can happen by overrunning units in the second hex or if the second hex only contained a notional unit slated for a paradrop or invasion. If you occupy the second hex, the declared combat in the second hex is ignored; however, the paradropping and/ or invading units (if any) must also occupy the hex, which may result in overstacking and the destruction of some of your units.
RE: Landing Zone Overrun before Combat?
Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 12:33 pm
by rkr1958
ORIGINAL: rkr1958
game turn at the start of the land combat resolution phase.
MWiF version 3.1.0.5
ORIGINAL: Centuur
So you've found a bug here. However, there's no gamesave included. Can you post it so that Steve can fix this?
My bad, thought I'd uploaded the game turn in my second post. [:(]
Here's the turn at the start of the land combat resolution phase and before the overrun.
RE: Landing Zone Overrun before Combat?
Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 9:12 pm
by Shannon V. OKeets
This is the first time I have heard about this rule.[X(]
Well, actually, I think I inserted the clarification in RAC, but that was at least 15 years ago.[8|] The text was taken from Harry Rowland's numerous replies to questions from players (circa 2008, I think).
I will need to see if there is any code to implement it. I suspect there isn't any.[:(]
Hey, no one reported this for CWIF/MWIF over the last 24 years (1996 to 2020), so I guess it doesn't happen very often.[:D]
EDIT: Also, WiF was released in 1985, and Harry didn't write the clarification until 2008, so I guess there was a 23 year lag before anyone reported it to Harry.[:D][:D][:D]
RE: Landing Zone Overrun before Combat?
Posted: Sun May 24, 2020 1:59 pm
by rkr1958
ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
This is the first time I have heard about this rule.[X(]
Well, actually, I think I inserted the clarification in RAC, but that was at least 15 years ago.[8|] The text was taken from Harry Rowland's numerous replies to questions from players (circa 2008, I think).
I will need to see if there is any code to implement it. I suspect there isn't any.[:(]
Hey, no one reported this for CWIF/MWIF over the last 24 years (1996 to 2020), so I guess it doesn't happen very often.[:D]
EDIT: Also, WiF was released in 1985, and Harry didn't write the clarification until 2008, so I guess there was a 23 year lag before anyone reported it to Harry.[:D][:D][:D]
Glad to help. [:)]