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Looking for an Axis stratagem for an pbem game
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:37 pm
by spinecruncher
Hello, any reccommendations or stratagems available for play against a Field Marshall class Soviet play in the grandf campaign. I would like to take Moscow. Thank you
RE: Looking for an Axis stratagem for an pbem game
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:42 pm
by eskuche
IMHO Moscow requires either serious elimination of large numbers of units, diversion of panzers and elite infantry from Leningrad, and/or aggressive play.
RE: Looking for an Axis stratagem for an pbem game
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:47 pm
by Telemecus
There was a fashion for a while to "get Moscow first" meaning send 3 panzer groups that way and forget about Leningrad. But with Moscow captured early turn the three panzer groups in a massive left hook to get Leningrad before blizzard. That fashion was lost with the changes from one of the patches made it less attractive. But perhaps worth looking at it again?
RE: Looking for an Axis stratagem for an pbem game
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:21 pm
by spinecruncher
So what is considered the best stratagy for Axis? What should Axis player focus on?
RE: Looking for an Axis stratagem for an pbem game
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:32 pm
by Telemecus
The paradigm at the moment seems to be make an absolute priority for Leningrad. This AAR might be an example of the firt three turns of that
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4639282
Similarly the soviet paradigm is to put the effort into stopping them first. For example
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4309050
If you do capture Leningrad early you get a major supply boost in the north, can bring out the blizzar immune Finns to defen the north an shorten your lines. And the sudden surplus in troops can be turned on Moscow.
RE: Looking for an Axis stratagem for an pbem game
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:42 pm
by spinecruncher
ORIGINAL: Telemecus
The paradigm at the moment seems to be make an absolute priority for Leningrad. This AAR might be an example of the firt three turns of that
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4639282
Similarly the soviet paradigm is to put the effort into stopping them first. For example
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4309050
If you do capture Leningrad early you get a major supply boost in the north, can bring out the blizzar immune Finns to defen the north an shorten your lines. And the sudden surplus in troops can be turned on Moscow.
Does that make for a Moscow '42?
RE: Looking for an Axis stratagem for an pbem game
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:06 pm
by Telemecus
In most games so far it has been Moscow 41, but a close run thing. Some games that ran into 42 got Moscow easily in the summer. But the bottom line decision behind it is that in WitE if you had to choose between getting Moscow or Leningrad you would prefer Leningrad.
That might not match what you think should be true historically. But given the game mechanics of WitE1 it is.
RE: Looking for an Axis stratagem for an pbem game
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:30 pm
by spinecruncher
Can anyone clue me in on how any of the panzer d'vs from the xxxxi woud have enough Mp's to get east a Riga on week 1? thank you!
RE: Looking for an Axis stratagem for an pbem game
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:28 pm
by Bozo_the_Clown
Can anyone clue me in on how any of the panzer d'vs from the xxxxi woud have enough Mp's to get east a Riga on week 1? thank you!
Something like that
RE: Looking for an Axis stratagem for an pbem game
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:36 pm
by spinecruncher
Interesting. I am not able to have any unit show that many MP's east of Riga on the first turn.
RE: Looking for an Axis stratagem for an pbem game
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:26 pm
by Telemecus
ORIGINAL: Bozo_the_Clown
Can anyone clue me in on how any of the panzer d'vs from the xxxxi woud have enough Mp's to get east a Riga on week 1? thank you!
All of them - see
fb.asp?m=4639288
RE: Looking for an Axis stratagem for an pbem game
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:15 am
by spinecruncher
hmm, but my 1st P's sputtered out on the west bank of the Daugava just south a Riga.
RE: Looking for an Axis stratagem for an pbem game
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:56 am
by Telemecus
ORIGINAL: spinecruncher
hmm, but my 1st P's sputtered out on the west bank of the Daugava just south a Riga.
How many rivers and swamps did they cross? Is there another route in which they could have crossed fewer? if you make sure to clear that one at the start then all of 1stP could cross the Daugava if that is what you wanted with them.
RE: Looking for an Axis stratagem for an pbem game
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:24 pm
by spinecruncher
Was wondering also, is running FBD3 through the pripet a good choice? Otherwise that entire region is lost for transport.
RE: Looking for an Axis stratagem for an pbem game
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:39 pm
by Telemecus
rail through pripyat is a very bad choice. Far better to rail the FBD north or south and double them up to go fast through the Baltic rail repair zone and out of Rumania and then later repair from north to south an vice versa. See
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4317692 and look at their suggested railway map listed on past one for a better way
RE: Looking for an Axis stratagem for an pbem game
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:03 pm
by spinecruncher
Will, FBD3 is right near BL. But I did not want to have to expend all that resources to take the brave soviet soldiers defending the fort. Prefer to bypass. but doing that, rail work cannot begin in that area.
thanks
RE: Looking for an Axis stratagem for an pbem game
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:08 pm
by Telemecus
I mean what we are saying is do not repair rail there at all. Rail the FBD to near Kaunas and repair the rail there instead.
RE: Looking for an Axis stratagem for an pbem game
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:21 pm
by spinecruncher
great war counsel. thank you again Field Marshal!
RE: Looking for an Axis stratagem for an pbem game
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:44 pm
by tyronec
There is a lot of suggestions on these topics and more if you look through this thread:
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4317692