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Mechanized infantry are showing as regular infantry. Someone needs to fix the symbol, adding the little circle under the infantry "X".

It's difficult to tell for sure, but I believe I've fixed that in an unposted update to my Nato counters mod. I will post it shortly when I have a few moments. I think there are other issues too, but until I run into them in a game, it's hard to know for sure.

-Mark R.

Oooooh Goody! How abut the recon/cav symbol? In game it uses the mech symbol (x over oval) when it should be a single slash over the oval. Did not know of your mod. Will check it out now!

Is that the Beveled NATO unit mod? Your transportation line mod is really good.

You got the AT symbol fixed! I don't think any of the mechanized stuff is fixed in the mod version I downloaded. And the base game has ALL of the motorized symbols wrong as well as most of the recon and mechanized stuff. I have not built any assault guns, so I don't know about it yet. I know it is "cosmetic" and there are bigger fish for Vic to fry, but it makes the game so much easier to play when the symbols are correct.

This is what we need:
https://boardgamegeek.com/image/3839043/scorched-earth

I tried too attach the file, but I don't seem to be able to.

You got the AT symbol fixed! I don't think any of the mechanized stuff is fixed in the mod version I downloaded.

Yes, the corrections you seek haven't been posted yet. I slowly correct things as I discover them from game play and post periodically.

And the base game has ALL of the motorized symbols wrong as well as most of the recon and mechanized stuff.

Yes, in the next version, which I'll post later today, I have truck motorization represented by an infantry symbol along with two "wheels" below the rectangle. I've tried to make the mech symbol more sensible. Honestly, I didn't think of using a cav symbol for the recon units - but I'll look into that.

Part of the problem is knowing which image the game uses for what situation. And, I think but haven't fully convinced myself yet, that in some cases the game uses the same symbol for different purposes. So, I need to take care that in fixing one issue I'm not creating another.

I know it is "cosmetic" and there are bigger fish for Vic to fry, but it makes the game so much easier to play when the symbols are correct.

At one level it is just cosmetic, but at another it's more. For me, over decades I've developed an eye-contact fluency with the NATO symbology and I can get a better feel for a situation with a quick scan of the map and units. With wrong symbols, or worse the non-nato unit figurines, there is a mental translation that needs to happen in my mind and that impedes my comprehension a bit.

-Mark R.


EDIT: New version posted here:

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4836806

https://boardgamegeek.com/image/3839043/scorched-earth
I tried too attach the file, but I don't seem to be able to.

Wow! Another Europa player!?!? Europa was my favorite game from the late 1970's to the early 2000's.
Indeed, this is my very own published "Europa" game (basically, Europa in China):
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/745/war-resistance

-Mark R.

Cool! Yes, I have them all up in my closet Including TWO copies of FITE and Scorched Earth...plus extra maps, one set laminated and one set not laminated...one set of counters clipped, one still in the sheets.

You did the Sino-Japanese game?! Wow. I helped with the re-issue of Case White and Marita-Merkur. It was really sad when Winston died. Things kind of stopped, though I heard the series is still moving along somehow.

ORIGINAL: solops

You did the Sino-Japanese game?! Wow. I helped with the re-issue of Case White and Marita-Merkur. It was really sad when Winston died. Things kind of stopped, though I heard the series is still moving along somehow.

Yes, Winston's passing may have been the true end of Europa [:(]
There is a group (out in Colorado) which includes Arthur Goodwin. They acquired the rights from the Winston Hamilton estate and for a long time were working on the next rendition of the eastern front. But between health and financial issues they have yet to produce anything new and indeed haven't even updated their website in a bunch of years. So, it's not clear whether anything is really happening anymore, but it probably isn't.
HMS-GRD (the latest rights-owners of Europa)

-Mark R.

The new version turned medium tanks symbol into the light tank symbol in my game, but it implemented it fine for my light tnak units I think the mediums and heavies should have the standard armor symbol. The lights and recc use the oval/slash (?) In this game I suppose recc would be the dune buggies.

Alright, let me see if I can figure precisely which images you're referring to and try to fix.
If you can post a screenie, it might help - and maybe label which ones you think are incorrect.

-Mark R.

The new version turned medium tanks symbol into the light tank symbol in my game, but it implemented it fine for my light tnak units I think the mediums and heavies should have the standard armor symbol.

Darn... I looked at it more closely. It appears the same image is used for both light and medium tank which means I can't separate them out with their own NATO symbols [:@]

The lights and recc use the oval/slash (?) In this game I suppose recc would be the dune buggies.

I might be able to turn the buggy recon into the oval/slash.
With that I would make the light and medium tank the regular armored tank symbol.
There are two more levels of armor which I assume are for heavy armors of some sort. I'll give them the heavy armor symbol for now.

-Mark R.

Sounds reasonable re. Light and med tanks= armor and buggies=recon. Did not know there was a heavy armor symbol. That sounds good, too.