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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA1hQ2G ... e=youtu.be

5 PM GMT ? Will it be LIVE on YouTube too ?

The full event happens today!

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Watched the entire show today - the WitE2 screen shots and enhancements are very exciting! I'll be first in line for the release!!

[&o] [&o] Thanks Erik and Joel [&o][&o]

Great show, loved to hear Joel Billings talk about SSI in the old times and his early works with Gary Grisby.


https://www.wargamer.com/articles/gary- ... he-east-2/

Very nice. Will you post the shown screenshots to the forum in their full 4K glory?

Hey guys any chance you can start a WITE 2 screenshot thread? On my browser (Windows Edge) I can't zoom into any of the screenshots.

ORIGINAL: comte

Hey guys any chance you can start a WITE 2 screenshot thread? On my browser (Windows Edge) I can't zoom into any of the screenshots.

Hi Comte if you right click on a screenshot, select 'open image in new tab' and then expand it in the new tab you should be able to view it full size

Enjoyed the interview - really interested to see the new theatre boxes/strategic reserve in action. Really looking forward to the new air module as well.

Is there likely to be any expansion of the current beta testing setup as we move closer to release?

ORIGINAL: AlexSF

Great show, loved to hear Joel Billings talk about SSI in the old times and his early works with Gary Grisby.


https://www.wargamer.com/articles/gary- ... he-east-2/

Yeah, the good old times. I remember playing Kampfgruppe on the Amiga 500 with its really impressive gun sound during the resolution phase.

Great show, loved to hear Joel Billings talk about SSI in the old times and his early works with Gary Grigsby

That was one of the best parts!

Did any of you play War in Russia? I thought it should have been mentioned as part of GG's WitE lineage. I would call it WitE0. It came out in 1984 and I played it for years with some of the same people who migrated to WitE in 2010.

What an incredible legacy!

War in Russia



It's marked "Discontinued" on the Matrix website. The version I played was DOS and had to be run in DOSBox on a Windows PC. It was a hassle but worth it!

Was this a computer adaptation of the old Avalon Hill board game? Kind of looks like it, and it has the same name.

ORIGINAL: Shupov

War in Russia



It's marked "Discontinued" on the Matrix website. The version I played was DOS and had to be run in DOSBox on a Windows PC. It was a hassle but worth it!

1st generation: 1984 Gary Grigsby's "War in Russia." This is the primary original. Corps sized units and black and white map.

2nd generation: 1990 Gary Grigsby's "Second Front: Germany turns East." Still Corps sized, but next generation graphics and steadily improving game detail.

3rd generation: 1993 Gary Grigsby's "War in Russia." Still Corps sized (I believe) but again improving upon Second Front.

3.5 generation: 2000 Matrix update to the 1993 game "Matrix Version."

4th generation: 2010 Gary Grigsby's "War in the East." Now divisional level and the game we know today.

5th generation: 2021 Spring? (hmmmm, I'm guessing no. Bad, but maybe a June 22 release remembering the 80th anniversary of the beginning of that horrifying, nightmare meat-grinder of a war, and I only call it a war to be nice-- it was a two way no-holds barred gore fest).

Previous to the 1984 version I believe there was something released on the early personal computers (1979? Commodore computer?) that, at least graphically, was somewhat similar to what the original Grigsby 1984 game became.

No doubt, as you said, these computer renditions (namely the 1979? and 1984 versions) were inspired by the eastern front monster board games of the early 1970s. Maybe Avalon Hill was the only company that had one.

I found the computer game that preceded the 1984 game. Just to preface, I never played this game so I cannot say how

much this game inspired Gary Grigsby's original 1984 computer game.

That said, it is from Chris Crawford-- 1981, called "Eastern Front(1941)." Crawford's game looks great for its time,

and without a doubt,it was an influence on Grigsby's 1984 game (not least because Crawford's game was the very first

Eastern front computer game ever made; which of course makes Grigsby's the second one ever made).

Starting with the 1984 iteration, I've played every version. In retrospect, outside of graphical updates (and

harnessing next generational computational power for data), its been very satisfying to see how 2by3's understanding of

that particular conflict has evolved and informed their game design.

So much new eastern front scholarship since the 1980s has really changed perspectives and suggested the need for a re-evaluation of views (sometimes traditionally dogmatic) and primary sources.

ORIGINAL: Light4bettor

I found the computer game that preceded the 1984 game. Just to preface, I never played this game so I cannot say how

much this game inspired Gary Grigsby's original 1984 computer game.

That said, it is from Chris Crawford-- 1981, called "Eastern Front(1941)." Crawford's game looks great for its time,

and without a doubt,it was an influence on Grigsby's 1984 game (not least because Crawford's game was the very first

Eastern front computer game ever made; which of course makes Grigsby's the second one ever made).

The developers have always cited the old SPI War in the East as their core inspiration, Joel repeated this in the presentation.

Thanks, makes sense, this was a 1974 release.

Game has upgraided since 1984 but our knowledge about Soviet Army has changed.

Watching the release clip, it appears little improvement has been made on the map. I know there's an awesome map mod floating around someplace, which eludes me so far. Are there any plans in improving the map at all?

Aesthetically speaking the map hasn't improved dramatically (though its still an improvement), however, they have improved several facets of the map that should improve game-play.

1-- Better map projection (better accounts for the curvature of the earth)-- distances between towns and terrain should line up closer to reality (they were already quite accurate, for a game anyway).

2-- every hex is rated for road quality, and double line rail roads are now represented (and it looks like rail lines have undergone a major revision and their routes to be closer to 1941 reality).

3-- just from the video, its obvious that the terrain layout has undergone a major revision (that probably is closer to what existed during 1941).

4-- weather, like mud and snow, is now easier on the eyes (that's what they said anyway).