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Do not put guards units in Guards/Shock Armies?

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:09 pm
by CapAndGown
page 95:

Soviet non-guards units directly attached to a Guards Army HQ get a +1 to their leader's admin rating provided the headquarters unit is
within its command limits.
Soviet non-guards units directly attached to a Shock Army HQ get a +1 to their leader's admin rating.


Does this mean it is pointless to assign guards divisions/corps to shock/guards armies?

RE: Do not put guards units in Guards/Shock Armies?

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:57 pm
by BrianG
I think the leader who runs these armies gets a bump in admin.

It not that those units in a Guard Army gets a better leader admin check b/c they are guards divisions and other divisions are not. It same bump on all admin checks for that hq.




RE: Do not put guards units in Guards/Shock Armies?

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 9:01 pm
by Shupov
The last sentence in 7.6.3 explicitly says:

"These admin bonuses exist only as long as the unit is directly attached to the headquarters unit and they never apply to guards units" (italics added)

I try to put non-guards units in Guards and Shock armies since they will get the admin bonuses whereas guards units will not.

RE: Do not put guards units in Guards/Shock Armies?

Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:49 pm
by eskuche
I haven’t played this far as Soviets, but putting tank and cavalry corps under these armies is probably a good idea, as they will then more often get full MP. Do note that, if broken down into component divisions, they will also get another -1 to admin and initiative roll range. This makes it possible in some cases to guarantee roll passes.