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Beta 10U21 - corps to army conversion is too quick

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2021 3:37 am
by ncc1701e
Playing hotseat in Europe 1939, there is now no corps to army conversion before DoW. This is good.

Now, Germany has declared war against USSR. Going on the USSR side on the exact same turn of the war declaration, there are already 7 corps that have been converted to armies. 5 corps on the below screenshot and 2 elsewhere.

This is much too quick imo.

This is not by pleasure that STAVKA has changed its mind and suddently changed the organization. It was the result of the initial combats. And, this is a circular, of July 15th, 1941, that has directed several changes to Red Army force structure, including the elimination of rifle corps headquarters and subordination of rifle divisions directly to rifle army headquarters.

In game turn, it means:
Turn 48: 20-Jun-1941
Turn 49: 4-Jul-1941
Turn 50: 18-Jul-1941

So, I think your script must started the corps to army conversion TWO TURNS AFTER GERMANY DOW.

Looks much more realistic.

Thanks

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RE: Beta 10U21 - corps to army convertion is too quick

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:40 am
by ncc1701e
And just to add, if you don't wait a little bit, all the corps are at a strength of 20/20 the first turn. So they will convert to an army immediately.
Your below rule may not apply if corps do not have the time to take some damage.
Added Soviet corps will now automatically convert to an Army if the health is 18+ or a split Army is health is lower than 18

RE: Beta 10U21 - corps to army convertion is too quick

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:38 pm
by AlvaroSousa
Perhaps I should change them to 18 strength armies instead and return 2 manpower to the pool.

RE: Beta 10U21 - corps to army convertion is too quick

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2021 1:06 pm
by ncc1701e
I agree. I think you are too generous with the USSR.

I am not the best player out there. Several PBEM players have destroyed my lines in 1941 and in 1942.
But now, I have learned thanks to the advices of Flaviusx (thank you sir!).

In 1941, I am starting to hold. This is in 1942 I have still some difficulties (I would be interested by a rematch malkarma).

But, here, look at my situation in USSR against MorningDew. The front line is on June 6th, 1941.
I think MorningDew has started Barbarossa in April 1941.

Already 6 corps that can be converted to full armies.


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RE: Beta 10U21 - corps to army convertion is too quick

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2021 1:07 pm
by ncc1701e
Here, 23 corps than can be converted to a mix of Split and Full Armies.

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RE: Beta 10U21 - corps to army convertion is too quick

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2021 1:08 pm
by ncc1701e
Here, 12 corps than can be converted to a mix of Split and Full Armies.

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RE: Beta 10U21 - corps to army convertion is too quick

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2021 1:10 pm
by ncc1701e
Here, 18 corps than can be converted to a mix of Split and Full Armies.

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RE: Beta 10U21 - corps to army conversion is too quick

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2021 1:18 pm
by ncc1701e
A total of 59 armies. So okay, 59 armies at 20/36 but still.

Yes, divide everything by two by doing only split armies and return 2 manpower to the pool and 2 logistics points.
And, I think you must start the process at least two turns after German DoW. German player will have the time to kill corps as much as possible.

battlevonwar, Flaviusx, sillyflower, MorningDew, kennonlightfoot, malkarma, Harrybanana, MagicMissile, ComadrejaKorp, sveint, ... two turns is it enough for you to kill all my rifle corps? [:D]

Thanks Alvaro, this is a great addition anyway. Just have to fine tune it.