So yes it's definitely throwing off any non-SAR flagged radars from making an easy level2 or 3 classification once you throw it a curve ball of no matches in the DB no matter how close just based off radar signature. This is interesting, and I swear it didn't used to happen many moons ago (you'd get a level 2) - or maybe that's just when there are multiple matches.
Nice find. I think the reason I didn't noticed this before is I so often have a b-1b ibs around with and APG-83, or a MQ-4 with the ZPY around, or there is a sat with SAR flags above who pick it up, only tonight have I realized why. When I say SAR (Synthetic Aperture Radar) I mean those actually flagged SAR in the database sometimes the names don't indicate it or might indicate it but it not actually be tagged.
Way more info than you asked for:
In testing I found when it comes to search radars to ID that ship you'll need an SAR flagged radar and be within about 40-60% range of the radar doing the detecting @30k ft in the weather state of that scene. So about 125nm(62.5%), for a 200nm sensor, but the Sea Spray 7500E that claims a 320nm sensor seems capped at 128nm of detecting it (40%), while the Generic SAT SAR that has 650nm detects it at 325 (50%), not sure what is up with the different ranges guess other capabilities play a role adding or not subtracting distance or maybe it's just generation difference I didn't dig into that.
Your choices if you want that ship classified at level 3 from the patrol area are just the sat sar. If you can get inside of 130-120 nm your options open up a bit more (with most of the 200nm range options). Here's a full list of all radars that can actually level 3 id it (have both SAR flag and Surface Search capability), and what there listed max ranges are. I tested a quarter of these, and dozen of other radars, to narrow it down to the 3013 SAR flag being only ones that will trigger it.
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dbid name typecode max-range role sarflag surfaceflag
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4471 Generic Satellite SAR 2001 650 2021 3013 1002
6113 Sea Spray 7500E 2001 320 2021 3013 1002
5526 Search Master 2001 240 2021 3013 1002
637 AN/APS-137A(V)5 ISAR 2001 200 2021 3013 1002
1075 AN/APS-137(V)1 ISAR 2001 200 2021 3013 1002
2304 AN/APS-137(V)6 ISAR 2001 200 2021 3013 1002
2305 AN/APS-137(V)4 ISAR 2001 200 2021 3013 1002
2725 AN/APY-3 2001 200 2021 3013 1002
3754 AN/APS-137(V)2 ISAR 2001 200 2021 3013 1002
3755 AN/APS-137B(V)5 ISAR 2001 200 2021 3013 1002
3757 AN/APS-137(V)5 ISAR 2001 200 2021 3013 1002
3768 AN/APY-10 2001 200 2021 3013 1002
4298 EL/M-2022U 2001 200 2021 3013 1002
4505 ASTOR SAR 2001 200 2021 3013 1002
4978 J/HPS-106 2001 200 2021 3013 1002
5000 AN/APY-7 AESA 2001 200 2021 3013 1002
5006 AN/ZPY-3 MFAS AESA 2001 200 2021 3013 1002
5511 AN/ZPY-2 MP-RTIP AESA 2001 200 2012 3013 1002
5555 AN/APG-83 SABR-GS AESA 2001 200 2121 3013 1002
5899 Generic SAR / MTI 2001 200 2021 3013 1002
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6011 AN/ZPY-8 Osprey MM radar 2001 200 2012 3013 1002
6111 Aselsan AESA 2001 200 2021 3013 1002
381 AN/APG-80 AESA 2001 160 2121 3013 1002
5427 AN/APG-83 SABR AESA 2001 160 2121 3013 1002
4372 RBE-2AA AESA 2001 140 2122 3013 1002
452 AN/ASD-12 SHARP [SAR] 2001 120 2022 3013 1002
326 Generic SLAR 2001 100 2022 3013 1002
1765 AN/APG-70 2001 100 2122 3013 1002
2088 Global Hawk Sensor Package [ISAR] 2001 100 2022 3013 1002
2221 AN/APG-70S 2001 100 2122 3013 1002
2224 AN/APG-70I 2001 100 2122 3013 1002
3137 ASARS-2 2001 100 2022 3013 1002
4866 ASARS-2A 2001 100 2022 3013 1002
5419 Terma 9000 SLAR 2001 100 2022 3013 1002
5908 Anka-B Sensor Package [ISAR] 2001 100 2022 3013 1002
2472 ASARS-1 2001 85 2022 3013 1002
5192 AN/ZPY-4(V)1 [RDR-1700B+] 2001 80 2022 3013 1002
1763 Eagle Eye ISAR 2001 60 2022 3013 1002
2091 AN/ZPQ-1 TESAR 2001 60 2022 3013 1002
2268 Fox Flat SLAR [Shompol] 2001 60 2022 3013 1002
2271 IRIS SAR 2001 60 2022 3013 1002
2350 SLAR 2001 60 2022 3013 1002
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5900 Generic SAR / MTI 2001 50 2021 3013 1002
2822 AN/APY-8 Lynx 2001 45 2023 3013 1002
5456 HISAR SAR-MTI 2001 45 2021 3013 1002
5510 AN/ZPY-1 STARLite 2001 20 2021 3013 1002
The other option is to not have it emmit on those two specifically added radars till after contactwrapper.classificationlevel => 3, cause if they emit at all, they'll stay in the contact record.
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local function findAllMatchingSensorsByDBID(stbl,matchid)
local rettable={};
for i,v in ipairs(stbl) do
if v.sensor_dbid==matchid then table.insert(rettable,v); end
end
return rettable
end
local function FlipAllSensorByDBID(u,thedbid,state)
u.obeyEMCON = false; -- take manual control.
local stbl = findAllMatchingSensorsByDBID(u.sensors,thedbid); --go get a table of one or more sensor entries
if((stbl ~= nil) and #stbl > 0) then
for i,v in ipairs(stbl) do --for every matched dbid\returned sensor guid lets do something.
local s = {sensor_guid = v.sensor_guid, sensor_status = v.sensor_status, sensor_isactive=state} --setup the change request.
u.sensors = s; --submit the change request.
s = nil;
end
stbl = nil; return true;
else
print('No matches found.')
end
return false;
end
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local u = SE_GetUnit({guid=theguid})
ScenEdit_SetEMCON('Unit',u.guid,'Radar=Passive')
FlipAllSensorByDBID(u,5195,true) --flip only BMD radar on it will get level 3 id'd almost instantly by the Sky Master.
--To Reverse
--u.obeyEMCON = true;
--ScenEdit_SetEMCON('Unit',u.guid,'Radar=Active')
The idea being if you need the Sky Master to detect it as what it is (maybe for AI WRA purposes perhaps), then maybe you don't let the ship turn on everything till after the ASM's have launched, or maybe not till the strike mission passes a certain threshold location, or you check for detection level > 2, if it is then you do the "reverse" above. or maybe you don't add the custom upgrades till after it's been id'd, or you damage the 2 nonstandard radars and fix them (sensor_status="Operational" is the local s line above) once it's id'd. 1/2 a dozen different ways to skin the cat so to speak depending on what you might need.
. Thx for your time and help. I love the info reading about the game and it's complexness