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Will we ever get a truly epic age of sail strategy/simulation?
Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:45 pm
by VonWulfen
Hello all.
I am currently playing Gary Grigsby’s WITPAE and despite still being on the first turn, still setting up my orders I am thoroughly engrossed.
It has been an intense experience with almost 2 weeks of video tutorials, forum hunting, spreadsheets, and manuals.
The depth of the game is immense and I am blown away by the detail.
Now imagine if Gary Grigsby was to make Empire in the age of sail...
I know the scale and numbers involved are far smaller but this would allow him to deep dive into every aspect of the ship's crew and ship management, everything from ballast type and stowage to weed build upon the hull. A super detailed weather system with authentic navigation tools, the list could just go on and on.
Will we ever get such a detailed age of sail game?
I for one would throw my purse at them
RE: Will we ever get a truly epic age of sail strategy/simulation?
Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:14 pm
by RFalvo69
ORIGINAL: VonWulfen
Now imagine if Gary Grigsby was to make Empire in the age of sail...
I know the scale and numbers involved are far smaller but this would allow him to deep dive into every aspect of the ship's crew and ship management, everything from ballast type and stowage to weed build upon the hull. A super detailed weather system with authentic navigation tools, the list could just go on and on.
Will we ever get such a detailed age of sail game?
I for one would throw my purse at them
I think that the best men for this specific job would be the guys at NWS, who gave us masterpieces from Steam and Iron to Rule the Waves II. It is in these games that you find the level of ship-detail you are looking for.
RE: Will we ever get a truly epic age of sail strategy/simulation?
Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:37 pm
by IslandInland
ORIGINAL: VonWulfen
Hello all.
I am currently playing Gary Grigsby’s WITPAE and despite still being on the first turn, still setting up my orders I am thoroughly engrossed.
It has been an intense experience with almost 2 weeks of video tutorials, forum hunting, spreadsheets, and manuals.
The depth of the game is immense and I am blown away by the detail.
Now imagine if Gary Grigsby was to make Empire in the age of sail...
I know the scale and numbers involved are far smaller but this would allow him to deep dive into every aspect of the ship's crew and ship management, everything from ballast type and stowage to weed build upon the hull. A super detailed weather system with authentic navigation tools, the list could just go on and on.
Will we ever get such a detailed age of sail game?
I for one would throw my purse at them
I would second RFalvo69 as regards NWS.
https://nwswargamingstore.net/shop/ols/ ... imulations
Steam has this but is probably nowhere near as detailed as you might like.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1069 ... e_of_Sail/
RE: Will we ever get a truly epic age of sail strategy/simulation?
Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:08 pm
by rommel222
Greetings VonWulfen,
I agree with RFalvo69 & IslandInland, go with NWS!
RE: Will we ever get a truly epic age of sail strategy/simulation?
Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:02 pm
by VonWulfen
ORIGINAL: RFalvo69
ORIGINAL: VonWulfen
Now imagine if Gary Grigsby was to make Empire in the age of sail...
I know the scale and numbers involved are far smaller but this would allow him to deep dive into every aspect of the ship's crew and ship management, everything from ballast type and stowage to weed build upon the hull. A super detailed weather system with authentic navigation tools, the list could just go on and on.
Will we ever get such a detailed age of sail game?
I for one would throw my purse at them
I think that the best men for this specific job would be the guys at NWS, who gave us masterpieces from Steam and Iron to Rule the Waves II. It is in these games that you find the level of ship-detail you are looking for.
Many thanks, sir.
I am somewhat of a newcomer to these more niche, in-depth and complex strategy games and had never really heard about the games you mention.
I went straight to the website and was extremely pleased to see they had a demo for Steam & Iron, which I promptly downloaded.
It’s 1am here so a little late to boot it up and I know if I do, I’ll still be sitting at my PC come 6am..
Looking forward to giving the game my full attention tomorrow:)
RE: Will we ever get a truly epic age of sail strategy/simulation?
Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:08 pm
by VonWulfen
ORIGINAL: IslandInland
ORIGINAL: VonWulfen
Hello all.
I am currently playing Gary Grigsby’s WITPAE and despite still being on the first turn, still setting up my orders I am thoroughly engrossed.
It has been an intense experience with almost 2 weeks of video tutorials, forum hunting, spreadsheets, and manuals.
The depth of the game is immense and I am blown away by the detail.
Now imagine if Gary Grigsby was to make Empire in the age of sail...
I know the scale and numbers involved are far smaller but this would allow him to deep dive into every aspect of the ship's crew and ship management, everything from ballast type and stowage to weed build upon the hull. A super detailed weather system with authentic navigation tools, the list could just go on and on.
Will we ever get such a detailed age of sail game?
I for one would throw my purse at them
I would second RFalvo69 as regards NWS.
https://nwswargamingstore.net/shop/ols/ ... imulations
Steam has this but is probably no near as detailed as you might like.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1069 ... e_of_Sail/
Many thanks, sir.
I own Ultimate Admiral and was a little disappointed to tell the truth. It’s an ok RTS but has no real depth.
Plus the actual area for the naval battles is far to small, it just feels cramped and restricted with no real sense of scale.
RE: Will we ever get a truly epic age of sail strategy/simulation?
Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:16 pm
by IslandInland
I have all the main NWS games; Steam and Iron, Russo-Japanese War, Supremacy At Sea, Rule The Waves and Rule The Waves 2.
They all well worth your time and money.
Rule The Waves 2 is their magnum opus and an expansion/DLC is due soon-ish.
https://nws-online.proboards.com/thread ... -expansion
RE: Will we ever get a truly epic age of sail strategy/simulation?
Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:17 pm
by Elessar2
It's been a rather disappointing decade or so for 3D level sims. The primo exemplar has to be the MMO effort Naval Action, whose devs are apparently close-minded gits who have utterly refused to have expanded the gameplay any since the game's release. Others get announced, then vaporware'ed and forgotten. The sim linked above looks intriguing, but who knows if it will get dropped by the publisher at some point (it's apparently not released yet).
RE: Will we ever get a truly epic age of sail strategy/simulation?
Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:10 pm
by VonWulfen
ORIGINAL: rommel222
Greetings VonWulfen,
I agree with RFalvo69 & IslandInland, go with NWS!
They do have some intriguing looking games. I may have just found another rabbit hole me thinks
RE: Will we ever get a truly epic age of sail strategy/simulation?
Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:25 pm
by VonWulfen
ORIGINAL: IslandInland
I have all the main NWS games; Steam and Iron, Russo-Japanese War, Supremacy At Sea, Rule The Waves and Rule The Waves 2.
They all well worth your time and money.
Rule The Waves 2 is their magnum opus and an expansion/DLC is due soon-ish.
https://nws-online.proboards.com/thread ... -expansion
Many thanks again sir.
So would I be better of purchasing Rule the waves 2 rather than Steam & Iron?
Is steam and Iron a sort of forerunner to RTW2?
I just read RTW2 start date is 1900, it was this earlier period that attracted me to Steam & Iron but if the newer features of RTW2 improve on those of Steam & Iron maybe that’s the one I should invest in first.
RE: Will we ever get a truly epic age of sail strategy/simulation?
Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:34 pm
by VonWulfen
ORIGINAL: Elessar2
It's been a rather disappointing decade or so for 3D level sims. The primo exemplar has to be the MMO effort Naval Action, whose devs are apparently close-minded gits who have utterly refused to have expanded the gameplay any since the game's release. Others get announced, then vaporware'ed and forgotten. The sim linked above looks intriguing, but who knows if it will get dropped by the publisher at some point (it's apparently not released yet).
Another big disappointment in Naval Action I’m afraid.
I purchased it at early access. I went back and installed it recently and found very little had changed. There is still no feeling of managing the everyday running of a ship and its crew. Not even stores and water, pretty essential I would have thought. Another great idea poorly executed I’m afraid. They do have a new Nautical game on the horizon that sounds a lot more in depth than Naval Action. I believe it’s called Sea Legends.
RE: Will we ever get a truly epic age of sail strategy/simulation?
Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:41 pm
by IslandInland
ORIGINAL: VonWulfen
ORIGINAL: IslandInland
I have all the main NWS games; Steam and Iron, Russo-Japanese War, Supremacy At Sea, Rule The Waves and Rule The Waves 2.
They all well worth your time and money.
Rule The Waves 2 is their magnum opus and an expansion/DLC is due soon-ish.
https://nws-online.proboards.com/thread ... -expansion
Many thanks again sir.
So would I be better of purchasing Rule the waves 2 rather than Steam & Iron?
Is steam and Iron a sort of forerunner to RTW2?
I just read RTW2 start date is 1900, it was this earlier period that attracted me to Steam & Iron but if the newer features of RTW2 improve on those of Steam & Iron maybe that’s the one I should invest in first.
In Rules The Waves 2 you design your own ships. That is it's big selling point.
In Steam and Iron you fight campaigns and premade battles. UK v Germany WW I and Russia v Japan in the Russo Japanese War expansion which is a separate game from the base Steam and Iron.
I would recommend all three games but if I had to chose one I would go for Rule The Waves 2.
In RTW 2 you will design your own ships and fight wars with the other great naval powers of the age.
They will not simulate historical wars. You could play as the UK and fight the US in 1940.
RE: Will we ever get a truly epic age of sail strategy/simulation?
Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:45 pm
by IslandInland
Steam and Iron Campaign.
RE: Will we ever get a truly epic age of sail strategy/simulation?
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:02 am
by IslandInland
I've tried to upload more screenshots in particular from Rule The Waves 2 but as usual the Matrix forum is not fit for purpose and just refuses to post them once I have tried to upload them.
You can get a flavour of Rule The Waves 2 ship design here.
https://nws-online.proboards.com/thread ... ps-designs
and there are a whole host of videos to watch about the game here.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... he+waves+2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2qqbUHzjks
IMO the game is a bargain at twice the price. There is nothing really like it currently on the market.
RE: Will we ever get a truly epic age of sail strategy/simulation?
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:13 am
by VonWulfen
ORIGINAL: IslandInland
I've tried to upload more screenshots in particular from Rule The Waves 2 but as usual the Matrix forum is not fit for purpose and just refuses to post them once I have tried to upload them.
You can get a flavour of Rule The Waves 2 ship design here.
https://nws-online.proboards.com/thread ... ps-designs
and there are a whole host of videos to watch about the game here.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... he+waves+2
IMO the game is a bargain at twice the price. There is nothing really like it currently on the market.
Many, many thanks sir.
Very much appreciate your taking the time to give a detailed reapply.
I will try both games out tomorrow, or rather this evening as it’s 3am. As you say, for the price I could get both games if they grab my interest, which is already considerable:)
RE: Will we ever get a truly epic age of sail strategy/simulation?
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:31 am
by Perturabo
Has anyone here tried Peter Turcan's Armada?
RE: Will we ever get a truly epic age of sail strategy/simulation?
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:56 am
by DeepBlack
Misplaced reply - ignore
RE: Will we ever get a truly epic age of sail strategy/simulation?
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:32 pm
by VonWulfen
ORIGINAL: Perturabo
Has anyone here tried Peter Turcan's Armada?
Never heard of it but It seems the game will actually run on windows 10 according to the website.
RE: Will we ever get a truly epic age of sail strategy/simulation?
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:44 pm
by RangerJoe
ORIGINAL: DeepBlack
Misplaced reply - ignore
What?
Why should we ignore a misplaced reply. We should ponder the situation and speculate what the reply was and where it should have gone. Then we may ignore it or not.[;)]
RE: Will we ever get a truly epic age of sail strategy/simulation?
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2021 4:28 am
by Orm
ORIGINAL: RangerJoe
What?
Why should we ignore a misplaced reply. We should ponder the situation and speculate what the reply was and where it should have gone. Then we may ignore it or not.[;)]
Hear, hear.