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How does naval replacements work?
Below is a screenshot from 1944 Decline & Fall scenario. The CV Shinano is displayed to arrive as reinforcement in ND44 in its "6" CVP incarnation.

In ND44 however, in the Axis Air Reserve Phase, immediately before the Reinforcements Phase, the CV Shinano has suddenly disappeared!

Trying to track the missing CV Shinano down, I could not find the ship in any pool. Finally I tracked it down using the Units in Game function. Now all three counters of Shinano (BB, CV3, CV6) are shown to be removed?

Is this a bug, or do I something wrong?

On a first approach, and while the savvy ones can confirm...

Some ships are offered upgrades or conversions along the game, however there is a counterpart, that they need to refit and so they go to the Construction or Repair pool. This would be the upgrade of the ship.

There is not any Shinano counter in any pool. Not in construction, not in repair, nor in any other.
The CV6 Shinano displayed as reinforcement in ND44, see first post, is proof the BB counter has been replaced by the CV6 counter already at the start of the scenario. It does not explain why the CV Shinano suddenly disappears nor why all three counters are shown as removed.

OMG, I read it wrong. Even if you had seleceted an unpgrade of Shinano, you should still have somewhere the latest incarnation of it. Shouldn't have been removed.

Angeldust2, you should post an attachment with your saved game, so the testers can look at it.

Okay, as requested, this is the save from ND44 Axis Air Reserve Phase:

Did anybody ever successfully replace the BB Shinano with CV6 Shinano, so he received the actual carrier and could use it on map?

ORIGINAL: Angeldust2

Okay, as requested, this is the save from ND44 Axis Air Reserve Phase:

Did anybody ever successfully replace the BB Shinano with CV6 Shinano, so he received the actual carrier and could use it on map?

Yes, I was able to do so. However, I haven't got a clue on why all three ships are in the removed pool. That is, unless the ship was destroyed and you scrapped it...

No, I did not and even if so, should the scrapped unit not show up in the Scrapped Pool then?

ORIGINAL: Angeldust2

No, I did not and even if so, should the scrapped unit not show up in the Scrapped Pool then?

Your are right. I don't know what went wrong here.

Thanks for your confirmation. Can somebody flag this issue as a real bug and bring it to Steve's attention?

Coincidentally, the sink date for either iteration of the CV Shinano is Nov 29/44. Maybe this has something to do with it.

Good catch! Anybody has experienced something similar with other ships, which got sunk historically?

Is there somebody, who could place the CV6 Shinano (currently shown as "removed") to Tokyo, using either
a) Beta tools
or
b) by editing the game file ?

The game file to be modified is posted in #8 above.

A new patch might have addressed my problem from some time ago:

Release Notes for Hot Patch Version 04.02.03.02
(changes since 04.02.02.00)

All Modes of Play

Reinforcements
4. Added code to check for naval replacement units during the reinforcement phase so only replacement units still in the Future Force Pool are considered. This solves a problem with later scenarios where replacemnt units are part of the unit setup lists.

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So far, at set up of a new Decline & Fall scenario, already some naval replacements show up in the pools, which were not available before. Examples are CV Hyuga, CVL Seydlitz and BB Gneisenau (enhanced). I will report, if CV6 Shinano will become available in ND44, as scheduled in the reinforcement pool.
Thanks already for the bug fixing so far, Steve!

Decline & Fall scenario:

Unfortunately it seems, the issue with replacement counters has not been fixed. At the beginning of the scenario, during the first game turn, everything seems to be right (and improved/fixed compared to previous versions).

I show the relevant units in game form:

next screenshot

Something happens to the replacements counters during EoT, probably during builds, then naval replacements are processed??

At the beginning of the next game turn, suddenly all replacement counters are shown as removed. The actual counters are pulled from the map and production spiral by the program and shown as removed.

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