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Just read the article on expansions sounds great for both areas of the Russian campaign.
Though the developers said one or two scenarios for Finland which I wont complain about.
But what would be even better is the entire Finnish front as a campaign 1941 to 1944 solely focused on that.

Always wanted to capture Murmansk with 20th Gebirgsarmee [:D]

I would only be interested in the expansions if they could be added to the base game in order to expand the Grand Campaign we currently have.

I was very disappointed in Torch for WitW as it did not tie into the overall campaign game. So if these expansions are along the same lines as Torch, then I will take a pass.

tm1, could you please provide a link to the article about the expansions?

https://www.wargamer.com/gary-grigsbys- ... s-revealed

+1
yes please, integrate the finnish war in the campaign game.
Why design such a huge map if it is just for scrolling north on shaded unplayable hexes ?

Thank you, Devast8or!

Hoping for some short new scenarios. It is much easier to learn this game when starting with short scenarios. After reading the manual for many hours, playing the 41 campaign is still overwhelming me [:@]

ORIGINAL: Kel

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yes please, integrate the finnish war in the campaign game.
Why design such a huge map if it is just for scrolling north on shaded unplayable hexes ?

It'd be huge undertaking for very little gain to add Finland as playable into Grand Campaign.

That is because of historical political/military considerations that were different from Germany's ones.

E.g. USA warned Finland that they'd declare war to Finland if we attempted to cut Murmansk railroad connection. Or UK declaration of war when Finns advanced further than 1939 borders etc.

It is modelled reasonably well now, with capture of Leningrad releasing Finnish Corps. But in a sense, it was quite different war from what Germany and allies were having more south.

I know, but I only play the GC.
I will gladly buy an expansion with 1/ 1 or 2 scenarios 2/ 1 or 2 updated/revised gameplay mechanism 3/ 1 alternate art set (counters, terrain, gui)

The Southern Finland map is already populated with all the necessary units in their historical start positions so that area is relatively easy to enable. Some event modding would also be needed and as the Axis it might need a few house rules to prevent exploitation. In principle you could extend northwards but it might be really difficult to replicate the difficulties of supplying units in those areas that limited the size and nature of operations. I'm pretty sure at least one modder is working on Finland (or the southern bit anyway) and I'm sure they'll release it when it's done.

ORIGINAL: Kel

+1
yes please, integrate the finnish war in the campaign game.
Why design such a huge map if it is just for scrolling north on shaded unplayable hexes ?

Yeah. +1 here as well...

It is modelled reasonably well now, with capture of Leningrad releasing Finnish Corps. But in a sense, it was quite different war from what Germany and allies were having more south.

Correct!

Please no. not integrated into the campaign game. As a stand alone, ok. a winter war 1940 scenario, ok. but regarding the campaign, the solution now as a box is perfect.

ORIGINAL: Numdydar

I would only be interested in the expansions if they could be added to the base game in order to expand the Grand Campaign we currently have.

I was very disappointed in Torch for WitW as it did not tie into the overall campaign game. So if these expansions are along the same lines as Torch, then I will take a pass.

+1

Certainly I would have a preference for expansions that expand the overall playability of the map in a grand campaign type scenario. There may be complexities to work through but considering the achievements of this team it certainly seems like a task they have the talent to do.

That said, independent scenarios like mentioned in the article I also look forward to.

I'd love expansions where it would allow the entire 1941-1945 war for a specific army group (south,centre, north) etc. It would allow for manageable amount of micro and yet not be overwhelming. Yes, I get that the same army groups from 1941 changed and but the general geographic boundaries would still apply.

ORIGINAL: smartspick

I'd love expansions where it would allow the entire war for a specific army group (south,centre, north) etc. It would allow for manageable amount of micro and yet not be overwhelming. Yes, I get that the same army groups from 1941 changed and but the general geographic boundaries would still apply.

That is a very interesting idea! I wonder too if it might be more manageable from a development perspective?

This would eliminate the work to "set up" the map, units and conditions as it is already done. I think the hardest part may be trying to trigger the AI to operate remaining forces even though it is all still the same "player/nation".

Unless you're thinking have the map isolated just to where historically that army group operated?

Hoping for some short new scenarios. It is much easier to learn this game when starting with short scenarios. After reading the manual for many hours, playing the 41 campaign is still overwhelming me

+1

We need a Fall Blau scenario, a Kursk scenario, Bagration scenario, a road to Smolensk scenario and a 1944 Soviet invasion of Romania + Hungary scenario

ORIGINAL: fighterf4u

Hoping for some short new scenarios. It is much easier to learn this game when starting with short scenarios. After reading the manual for many hours, playing the 41 campaign is still overwhelming me

+1

We need a Fall Blau scenario, a Kursk scenario, Bagration scenario, a road to Smolensk scenario and a 1944 Soviet invasion of Romania + Hungary scenario

All good suggestions.

ORIGINAL: First_Contact_Gamer

ORIGINAL: smartspick

I'd love expansions where it would allow the entire war for a specific army group (south,centre, north) etc. It would allow for manageable amount of micro and yet not be overwhelming. Yes, I get that the same army groups from 1941 changed and but the general geographic boundaries would still apply.

That is a very interesting idea! I wonder too if it might be more manageable from a development perspective?

This would eliminate the work to "set up" the map, units and conditions as it is already done. I think the hardest part may be trying to trigger the AI to operate remaining forces even though it is all still the same "player/nation".

Unless you're thinking have the map isolated just to where historically that army group operated?

Indeed, this is what I meant. I was not clear. The Map outside of the army group areas would be "greyed out" and the historical units withdrawn or deployed per the historical dates.

Any news on War in Europe?