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The Hump
Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:00 pm
by EarlyDoors
the airlift from Ledo to Kunming stops providing mpp from USA -> china if either city falls to the axis
but if it is subsequently retaken, should the airlift restart?
because it hasn't in one of my games
is this by design or a flaw?
RE: The Hump
Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:53 pm
by BillRunacre
The engine checks every turn, so providing the triggers are met, flights should restart over the Hump.
However, if the Allies control Hanoi (184,69) and Kunming (180,65) then supplies will reach China via the Hanoi-Kunming railway instead.
Could that be the case here?
RE: The Hump
Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:07 pm
by EarlyDoors
Hanoi and its port Haiphong were still japanese (Axis occupied)
Wanting was Japanese
I can't share the gameID because India (and Ledo) has now fallen to the Japanese
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Update: USA has taken Hanoi/Haiphong and liberated Indochina and the Hanoi-Kunming railway has started running again
Looks like its just the Hump that doesn't restart
RE: The Hump
Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:33 am
by redrum68
@EarlyDoors - Had India already surrendered when the Allies controlled Ledo and Kunming?
RE: The Hump
Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:09 am
by EarlyDoors
After China retook Kunming, India continued to hold Ledo for about a year before surrendering.
At no point did the mpp airlift restart
RE: The Hump
Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:29 am
by BillRunacre
Ok, to help me track this down, please can you let me know who controlled the following locations during the period in question?
I've filled in a few based on your answers above:
Haiphong Port 185,69 - Axis
Kunming 180,65 - Allies
Ledo 175,62 - Allies
Rangoon 174,74
Mandalay 174,70
Lashio 177,67
There are 14 different scripts controlling the flights over the Hump, and I've had a quick look at them and nothing jumps out at me, but hopefully with this information I'll be able to pin it down to a particular script and fix it.
Thanks
RE: The Hump
Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:06 am
by EarlyDoors
ORIGINAL: BillRunacre
Ok, to help me track this down, please can you let me know who controlled the following locations during the period in question?
I've filled in a few based on your answers above:
Haiphong Port 185,69 - Axis
Kunming 180,65 - Allies
Ledo 175,62 - Allies
Rangoon 174,74
Mandalay 174,70
Lashio 177,67
There are 14 different scripts controlling the flights over the Hump, and I've had a quick look at them and nothing jumps out at me, but hopefully with this information I'll be able to pin it down to a particular script and fix it.
Thanks
Hi Bill
Rangoon / Manadalay / Lashio were all in Japanese hands
Myitkynia was Allies (indian)
RE: The Hump
Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:41 am
by BillRunacre
Thanks, looking into it now.
RE: The Hump
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:03 am
by EarlyDoors
In my next game, i notice in the DE blurb that the Hump states that Calcutta should also be held. It was defintely lost in previous game so I presume that is why the Hump didn't restart.
So next issue
China has been successfully defending the Hump and has retaken Hanoi allowing the Railway to restart. On this first turn, China receives both outcomes
I'll let you know if this continues
RE: The Hump
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:25 pm
by redrum68
I believe that the Allies only need to hold Calcutta for the initial decision event to fire for the USA to say yes to funding the Hump. The reoccurring check doesn't check Calcutta only that India is allied and not surrendered.
RE: The Hump
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:20 pm
by EarlyDoors
back to normal next turn
double income problem is only on the turn that Hanoi is retaken
RE: The Hump
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:36 pm
by LoneRunner
In a current MP game, Japan has surrendered, China controls all of China. All of SE Asia is under Allied control. But the USA aid to China has not restarted.
RE: The Hump
Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:11 am
by BillRunacre
This is because the aid is contingent on Japan being Axis and fully mobilized, so with the ending of the war in the Pacific, the US will be devoting its military machine to finishing off Germany (and potentially Italy too).
If it weren't to automatically cease it might be considered wasted MPPs, e.g. why support China when the war is in Europe?
RE: The Hump
Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:04 pm
by LoneRunner
Thanks Bill. Appreciate your answer.
In my MP game massive Chinese armies are streaming across Russia and attacking German positions around Perm and Stalingrad. Amazing how strong China can get when they own the entire country and have developed level 5 production technology.
RE: The Hump
Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2021 6:18 am
by BillRunacre
That is pretty impressive!