Page 1 of 1
Let's see which base has the most and best supplied flak
Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2021 10:41 pm
by spence
It seems that any Allied squadron which is left with a target on "Commanders Discretion" will attack whatever Japanese base has the most and best supplied flak guns. Every so often the target of a ground assault falls or the last unit is wiped out and all the bombers that had previously been assigned to bomb it/them switch to "Commanders Discretion" and seem to seek out the Japanese base that has the most AA guns. Just wondering if any Japanese Player has noticed the same sort of thing or is this just an Allied thing?
RE: Let's see which base has the most and best supplied flak
Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2021 11:02 pm
by dr.hal
Could it be that you are making a tenuous association? Normally one puts one's flak guns around something worth protecting. Even the AI does this. Could it be that the computer is simply triggered by the things that the flak guns are protecting? Obviously detection level comes into play here, but I've never heard that the DL level singles out any type of weapon, such as AA guns on which to base its detection. So the computer is responding to something, but I doubt it's AA guns alone or even in general. Unfortunately for your pilots those AA guns are effectively protecting something that DID trigger the discretionary attack. Other factors such as the target's base size, AF size, numbers of troops, etc., seem much more likely to trigger a discretionary attack IMHO. By association those targets might just have lots of AA capabilities as well. Just a thought.
RE: Let's see which base has the most and best supplied flak
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 12:10 am
by RangerJoe
Well, I guess that you do not protect your vital assets with as much AAA as you can and expect the AI to do the same.
RE: Let's see which base has the most and best supplied flak
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 12:12 am
by Alfred
ORIGINAL: dr.hal
Could it be that you are making a tenuous association? Normally one puts one's flak guns around something worth protecting. Even the AI does this. Could it be that the computer is simply triggered by the things that the flak guns are protecting? Obviously detection level comes into play here, but I've never heard that the DL level singles out any type of weapon, such as AA guns on which to base its detection. So the computer is responding to something, but I doubt it's AA guns alone or even in general. Unfortunately for your pilots those AA guns are effectively protecting something that DID trigger the discretionary attack. Other factors such as the target's base size, AF size, numbers of troops, etc., seem much more likely to trigger a discretionary attack IMHO. By association those targets might just have lots of AA capabilities as well. Just a thought.
Correct.
S.7.2.1.7.1 of the manual lists the relevant factors taken into account by the computer when it selects the target. The only time flak is taken into account is when the air unit is set to fly at 100'. Pilots tend to object flying directly into concentrated crossbow/longbow range.
Alfred
RE: Let's see which base has the most and best supplied flak
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:07 am
by BBfanboy
ORIGINAL: Alfred
ORIGINAL: dr.hal
Could it be that you are making a tenuous association? Normally one puts one's flak guns around something worth protecting. Even the AI does this. Could it be that the computer is simply triggered by the things that the flak guns are protecting? Obviously detection level comes into play here, but I've never heard that the DL level singles out any type of weapon, such as AA guns on which to base its detection. So the computer is responding to something, but I doubt it's AA guns alone or even in general. Unfortunately for your pilots those AA guns are effectively protecting something that DID trigger the discretionary attack. Other factors such as the target's base size, AF size, numbers of troops, etc., seem much more likely to trigger a discretionary attack IMHO. By association those targets might just have lots of AA capabilities as well. Just a thought.
Correct.
S.7.2.1.7.1 of the manual lists the relevant factors taken into account by the computer when it selects the target. The only time flak is taken into account is when the air unit is set to fly at 100'. Pilots tend to object flying directly into concentrated crossbow/longbow range.
Alfred
[:D] Yes - you must respect the Zen archers!
As for flak effectiveness, I expect the altitude given the bombers to attack ground troops is much too low for attacking a city; the commander's choice probably does not reset the altitude and as Alfred mentioned, the altitude is not taken into account when deciding where to strike.