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So I have had trouble with this but understood it as if I had to move an HQ unit first, so that works, but I cant move any other units due to " the foreign troop commintment limit for France will not be satisfied" I have tried to read the manual but still dont get it

Posting a picture of the situation might help figure this out.

The one suspect is that you moved ships into France along with the HQ. Ships do count against the HQ limit of troops allowed into France.

One common mistake is to ship Gort (HQI) into France on a TRS. And then try to send another TRS into France with another land unit. This is not allowed because Gort only allows two additional units into France. And two TRS + another land unit is three units....

You were right, so another HQ means more units?

Yes, each HQ allows more units. Safe way to get units early in game is send them to Bay of Biscay and debark them to Western France. Then walk or rail to Belgian border. For example Gort, MECH and MOT.

ARM HQ from Egypt is one option. In this case Axis may try to push to Egypt as there is less units.

Yes, more HQs mean more units. For the CW in '39-'40, you only want land units in France. No TRSs, no air units.

Move the land units into France by stopping the TRSs carrying them at sea, and having the land units debark into France.

So you said Gort allows Gort plus 2 units? But I just moved Gort+Mech corps, elite Inf corps and Inf div, so thats Gort plus 3 units? So how many units can a HQ allow?

If that is so, it's a bug.

However:

- Isn't there any other HQ in France?
- Are they all in France or some in Belgium?
- Was there another HQ qhen they got in? The limit is for getting in, no need for the HQ to stay all the time...
- ...

Nope, no other HQ and it is still there, I did have a bomber but moved that out. I can not add another corps/army. Maybe its HQ plus 2 corps/army?

It's HQ + 2 more units of any kind (except convoys, because several CONV count as 1 ship).
That is, with a factor 2 HQ like Gort or the other one you start with.

I first moved Gort with a transport, then tried sending another unit into port but as said that makes 4 so wouldnt work. So sent tran into NS and then moved unit into port without tran. In Fra I now have Gort, II Inf corps, 15th mech corps and 2nd inf div. The any other HQ unit I think uk has is wavell Armoured Army group and that is in Egypt and never left. Fran has 2 HQ units

Might have used an amph unit but didnt go into port

ORIGINAL: Gratch1111

I first moved Gort with a transport, then tried sending another unit into port but as said that makes 4 so wouldnt work. So sent tran into NS and then moved unit into port without tran. In Fra I now have Gort, II Inf corps, 15th mech corps and 2nd inf div. The any other HQ unit I think uk has is wavell Armoured Army group and that is in Egypt and never left. Fran has 2 HQ units

Then that's a bug.

No more than 2 units plus Gort can be in France anytime. Assuming Wavell has never been to France, which is what I understand from your explanations and from the initial setup (and you probably didnt send him in and out of France).

Had Wavell been to France as well, up to 4 units could have entered, apart from the two Hqs, then one or both HQ could have left. But that doesnt seem to be the case.

ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

ORIGINAL: Gratch1111

I first moved Gort with a transport, then tried sending another unit into port but as said that makes 4 so wouldnt work. So sent tran into NS and then moved unit into port without tran. In Fra I now have Gort, II Inf corps, 15th mech corps and 2nd inf div. The any other HQ unit I think uk has is wavell Armoured Army group and that is in Egypt and never left. Fran has 2 HQ units

Then that's a bug.

No more than 2 units plus Gort can be in France anytime. Assuming Wavell has never been to France, which is what I understand from your explanations and from the initial setup (and you probably didnt send him in and out of France).

Had Wavell been to France as well, up to 4 units could have entered, apart from the two Hqs, then one or both HQ could have left. But that doesnt seem to be the case.

You can breakdown a corps into two divisions. Since the corps started the step in France, there is no problem regarding FTC rules. That might explain the difference.

ORIGINAL: Centuur

ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

ORIGINAL: Gratch1111

I first moved Gort with a transport, then tried sending another unit into port but as said that makes 4 so wouldnt work. So sent tran into NS and then moved unit into port without tran. In Fra I now have Gort, II Inf corps, 15th mech corps and 2nd inf div. The any other HQ unit I think uk has is wavell Armoured Army group and that is in Egypt and never left. Fran has 2 HQ units

Then that's a bug.

No more than 2 units plus Gort can be in France anytime. Assuming Wavell has never been to France, which is what I understand from your explanations and from the initial setup (and you probably didnt send him in and out of France).

Had Wavell been to France as well, up to 4 units could have entered, apart from the two Hqs, then one or both HQ could have left. But that doesnt seem to be the case.

You can breakdown a corps into two divisions. Since the corps started the step in France, there is no problem regarding FTC rules. That might explain the difference.

You could have been right (although that split is usually not considered a good, to idea to divide corps of the BEF in divisions). However, that's not the case:

But I just moved Gort+Mech corps, elite Inf corps and Inf div

didnt split anything, just the original units are moved and not split afterwards

So I read this thread but I didn't quite understand. New player here. So I picked up Gort and moved him to Cherbourg, which you all say was a mistake. And now I see that I can't move another unit over because that would mean four units in France? Gort+other land unit+2 TRS?

It seems like the logical thing is to move the TRS that moved Gort out of France and then ship another land unit over. Does that sound right? It seems like though that's going to be quite a wait, like the next turn. Or, can I use Gort to reorganize the transports and send them back earlier? I'm at work right now so I can't just try it (I will tonight) but if this is not a remedy please let me know.

Is this sort of restriction only on the BEF moving to France or is this true for shifting all forces about the oceans?

Rob322 wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 9:02 pm So I read this thread but I didn't quite understand. New player here. So I picked up Gort and moved him to Cherbourg, which you all say was a mistake. And now I see that I can't move another unit over because that would mean four units in France? Gort+other land unit+2 TRS?

It seems like the logical thing is to move the TRS that moved Gort out of France and then ship another land unit over. Does that sound right? It seems like though that's going to be quite a wait, like the next turn. Or, can I use Gort to reorganize the transports and send them back earlier? I'm at work right now so I can't just try it (I will tonight) but if this is not a remedy please let me know.

Is this sort of restriction only on the BEF moving to France or is this true for shifting all forces about the oceans?

Calling shipping Gort into France a "mistake" depends on what CW is trying to achieve.

The rule here has nothing to do about shipping units. It has to do with how many units CW are allowed to have in France. They are allowed one unit for each point in reorganization value of the HQs that are in France. So if Gort is in France, and is the only CW HQ in France, then two additional CW units may be in France. This because Gort has two in reorganization value.

Thus a TRS in France counts as one of those units, and this might count as an mistake as CW might have wanted an other unit than a TRS in its place. And it takes time, or effort, to fix it.

An easier way to ship Gort to France is to load Gort on an TRS and sail the TRS to North Sea, or the Bay of Biscay, and then let Gort disembark from the TRS into France. The TRS then remains at sea. Shipping units to France then goes faster, and the TRS can easier get to a new shipping port during the end of turn. Note that to let Gort Disembark CW must have at least one remaining land move.

I recommend using RAC, or Rules as Coded, a lot when learning the game.

Edit: Spelling.

And welcome, Rob322, to MWIF. I hope that you have come to stay.

Orm, thanks, that was quite helpful to me and I (think) I get it now! I’ll give it a try!

Thanks for the welcome! I’ve been intrigued by this game and bought it awhile ago on sale but then life got busy but decided to give it a serious go. So far, I’m enjoying it a lot!