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Could you please tell what is this group?

Is it the Taiyō-class escort carrier group? The Taiyō-class escort carrier (大鷹型航空母艦, Taiyō-gata Kōkū-bokan) was a group of three escort carriers used by the Imperial Japanese Navy (IJN) during World War II. Two of the ships were built as cargo liners in the late 1930s and subsequently taken over by the IJN and converted into escort carriers, while the third ship was converted while still under construction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiy%C5%8 ... rt_carrier

Why not have three CVE ships then?

It is a group of those crappy carriers

then why not called it "Taiyo CVE Sqd to be consistent with the rest of names?

The CVEs were strong enough to fight. I'm leaving it as is. Players can change the name if they like when the unit arrives.

In fact in the above screenshot, there are two of them. The North CVE Sqd and the South CVE Group. Which one is which ship? I don't know.

By the way, there are actually three ships in this class. Thus, is there one missing at start?

According to the commissioned date, I would say:

Taiyo CVE Sqd must be already on the map but this is not the case
South CVE Group should be the Unyo CVE Sqd
North CVE Sqd should be the Chuyo CVE Sqd

I meant to say WERENT strong enough.

I agree but why putting them in the game then? Are they rated the same than CVL?

There's already an in-game re-name tool for units. Click the magnifying glass -- click the ABC button -- and call CVE North: Taiyō Group or the like. Send the 40th Infantry to Burma -- hit the ABC tool and rename it to Merrill's Marauders. The character field limit; the sky; and your own imagination are the only limits.

Having said that -- I am curious how American and UK CVEs are incorporated into the game? Historically there were tons and tons of American CVEs operating in the Pacific. I assume they were not included into WPP directly due to the counter burden it would create for Allied Players. But since Japanese CVE groups are included in the game, I was wondering how naval airpower potential from Allied CVEs is "indirectly" modeled into the game?

Escorts. But they were specifically designed for escorting

Someone just did not look up the OOB for CVE & CVL for names. More than 2 dozen are not included if you include the IJA Carrier w/SNLF units that the IJA operated (Like our conversions of the Essex Class to Amphib warfare long after the war. The IJA had 5 of them and they operated between 12 and 18 planes and carried 2 battalions (3 if need be). Also the conversions of liners. But hey if you are going there then all the ships should be entered with their historical stats. Including being given the option to complete the 3 Yamato class as a BB. Also I think the CA's should have been grouped either 2 or 3 (A Cruiser Division) VS. the game stated 5 - 7 ships. Some better understanding on Port Supply would be great and limited to how much you can ship there and not the length from the port to the unit being the over riding figure. Hey as long as we are talking about ports I think the Engineer Attachment should be able to increase capacity of a port to 6. Also the Attachments should be allowed to be removed and stored in an area (Still have to keep the same attachment). This is a great base of a game, with some work it could become a huge game but keep its easy to play basics. Would be happy to work with anyone from the company on figures. I have over 100 books on ships WWI & WWII.

ORIGINAL: 17russia

Also I think the CA's should have been grouped either 2 or 3 (A Cruiser Division) VS. the game stated 5 - 7 ships.

I definitely agree. With the new 6 groups naval stack rule, there is a lack of CA representation in the game compared to BB.

ORIGINAL: 17russia

This is a great base of a game, with some work it could become a huge game but keep its easy to play basics. Would be happy to work with anyone from the company on figures. I have over 100 books on ships WWI & WWII.

Indeed a great game. And if you have inputs on naval OOB changes, don't hesitate to post on the forum. Alvaro, the developer, is always reading.

Initial Order of Battle and reinforcements is available online in a very detailed form.


http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/J/a/Japanes ... Battle.htm

http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/U/s/US_Order_of_Battle.htm

http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/N/e/Netherl ... Battle.htm

http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/B/r/British ... Battle.htm

http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/A/u/Austral ... Battle.htm

http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/N/e/New_Zea ... Battle.htm

http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/C/a/Canadia ... Battle.htm

http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/K/u/Kuomint ... Battle.htm

http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/C/h/Chinese ... Battle.htm

http://niehorster.org/600_pto/41-12-07_pacific.htm




But to digest this amount of information and put it into the game is another thing [;)]

Thank you for the link. This is an excellent body of work.

ORIGINAL: Remington700

Thank you for the link. This is an excellent body of work.

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