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HQ TOE

Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:18 pm
by gw15
This may have been asked but I couldn't find it and I couldn't find an answer in the manual.
I'm playing the soviets and it is turn 14. 11 of my armies show (U) on their respective front HQ. When I look at those 11 armies they all have very low TOE. I've never paid attention to that until now but what are the ramifications of this? How do I raise the TOE of those 11 armies because there is no "refit" button? Put them back into SR?



RE: HQ TOE

Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:29 pm
by loki100
ORIGINAL: gw15

This may have been asked but I couldn't find it and I couldn't find an answer in the manual.
I'm playing the soviets and it is turn 14. 11 of my armies show (U) on their respective front HQ. When I look at those 11 armies they all have very low TOE. I've never paid attention to that until now but what are the ramifications of this? How do I raise the TOE of those 11 armies because there is no "refit" button? Put them back into SR?



in effect missing support squads lower the chance to pass a leadership roll (15.5.1/2), so if the TOE is say 20% that is quite a hit. Esp for the Soviets this escalates as attached CU often need to pull support squads from the HQ to compensate for their own shortages (21.2.2)

its one of those things that is a bit scattered in the manual

To sort out the TOEs takes some time, in part as the Soviets are slow to generate support squads in 1941 but best done by placing the HQ on a well stocked depot or in the reserve (best solution). its certainly worth looking over your HQs and making sure you are fully using the few that start the game properly mobilised.

RE: HQ TOE

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:52 am
by Yogol
I would -at least- take the SUs with a high TOE% out of those armies and place them somewhere useful.
And assign the ones with a low TOE% to a HQ that stands on a NSS.

RE: HQ TOE

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 12:07 pm
by gw15
Thank you for the responses. This is a complex game.
It's going to be hard to switch out the 11 armies that I allowed to deplete so much but it has to be done. I have plenty army HQ's in the SR though. Good that turn 16 is coming up soon.

I have created an EXCEL spreadsheet with a turn checklist broken out between Air and Land phases. It is a very long list and helps me remember what to check. I had "check low TOE" on the list but I was only reviewing combat units, not HQ. Lesson learned.
I also have a tab for Events that happen every turn so I can anticipate how things change during the game. It's also a long list.
I have a production tab that watches selected pool items so that I can decide what to put on refit, etc. Especially for T-34's and KV's. For planes I keep track of the newer models and gradually switch out the older ones making sure the pools are not drained too fast.
I have only played the Russians.

Sorry for my rambling... Great game.


RE: HQ TOE

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 12:51 pm
by tonyhnz
In the first few turns when i play soviets I try to move all the non isolated army hqs into depots with supply priority 4 for at least a turn to get their TOE's up.
Then for any new armies appearing on the map in the early turns you have to put them in a depot also for at least a turn for same reason.
If they are relocated out of a pocket you also have to do the same.

RE: HQ TOE

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:23 pm
by GibsonPete
gw15 that spreadsheet sounds like a great tool. You ever consider making it available?

RE: HQ TOE

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:31 pm
by gw15
Pete
I can't seem to upload it. I receive the message below. Not sure what "fakepath" means.
Any suggestions?

C:\fakepath\WitE2.xlsx is not supported

RE: HQ TOE

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 6:05 pm
by Stamb
ORIGINAL: gw15

Pete
I can't seem to upload it. I receive the message below. Not sure what "fakepath" means.
Any suggestions?

C:\fakepath\WitE2.xlsx is not supported
Yep
you are trying to upload file with extension that is not supported, i don't know why but in different sections in a forum there are different allowed extensions. Here as i can see you can only upload: gif/txt/jpg

RE: HQ TOE

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 11:08 pm
by gw15
Can I PM the file? If I can, I will be happy to.

RE: HQ TOE

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2021 12:17 am
by DeletedUser44
ORIGINAL: gw15

Pete
I can't seem to upload it. I receive the message below. Not sure what "fakepath" means.
Any suggestions?

C:\fakepath\WitE2.xlsx is not supported

Some people have gotten around this by renaming the file to one with a .txt extension.

RE: HQ TOE

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2021 6:14 am
by Denniss
You may also run into a size limit. You could upload it to en external filehoster and link to it from here.

RE: HQ TOE

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2021 7:42 am
by carlkay58
Just compresss the file and it will upload with the.zip extension.

RE: HQ TOE

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2021 11:39 am
by gw15
Tried zipping it, same error message.
Since the EXCEL file has multiple tabs I cannot rename to a TXT file type.

Thank you for the suggestions.
I don't have a filehoster or how to do that. I'm sorry for my lack of knowledge in this area.

If anyone wants me to send direct just PM me.