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Soviet TOE problem
Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2022 8:17 am
by Husky
Most units of the Soviet army have construction Labor Squad elements (Engineer-Sapper Squad) in its TOE instead of combat Engineer elements (Sapper Squad, Assault Sapper Squad). Only few later war unis as Assault Engineer-Sapper Brigade have proper elements.
RE: Soviet TOE problem
Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2022 8:32 am
by Beethoven1
It is supposed to see like that. The Soviet labor squads are useful for digging fortifications. However, they do not provide the advantages of German Pioneers in being able to help assault forts. The assault engineers Soviets get later in the war are like German Pioneers, but up until then Soviets have no equivalent.
RE: Soviet TOE problem
Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2022 12:55 pm
by Denniss
No TOE problem, intended and backed by historical facts.
RE: Soviet TOE problem
Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2022 1:52 pm
by Husky
Ok thanks
RE: Soviet TOE problem
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2022 8:35 am
by Dreamslayer
ORIGINAL: Denniss
No TOE problem, intended and backed by historical facts.
It isn't historical fact, it's a dev's point of view.
RE: Soviet TOE problem
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2022 9:39 am
by Denniss
That limited amount of pioneer-like engineers the soviets had were almost all lost on the western front during the initial weeks of Barbarossa, survivors are represented by flamethrower squads. The soviets had to rebuild/retrain/reform this organization from scratch which took them well into 1942.
RE: Soviet TOE problem
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2022 6:46 pm
by RC01214
What about the Axis minors such as Romania, Italy, Finland, and Hungary? Should most of their divisional engineers also be construction squads, or did they train and equip up to the standards of German pioneers?
(Edited to remove unintended implications against Axis minors.)