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Hi...
I'm new to ToS, and I'm wondering if I could get some tips before i go off to die a horrible death.
If it would help, I can post my titans. Also, is there anywhere I can find the reloading time of the weapons?

The reload time/energy needed for each weapon can be found in the factory, on the list of weapons. Look over near the far right of the entry.

What sort of tips are you looking for? If you want to post your titans, you'll get plenty of feedback on them, I can pretty much guarantee that.

So the 'Rec' numbers are the reload time? Anyways, here's my titans:


Titan Name: <Warrior> (Light Attack Titan)
Chassis: Morola L3
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Weight: 70.0t (70t maximum) Height : 10 [meter]
Bmt : 20 (60 kph) Reduce Heat: -3.0C/sec.
No Jump-Ports Cost : 145785 ($)


Equipment:
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Component/Type/Location

Engine :Krios K4 [Engine 4] [CT ]
Heatreg.:Delinit H6 [Heat 6]
D.C.S. :Surko [D.C.S.3] [RT ]
LifeSup.:Phillippi [Life 2] [Head]
Scanner :CyberSys L [Scan 3] [LT ]
Computer:CyberSys [Comp. 2] [LT ]


Weapons:
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Location/Weapon/Ammunition/SL

[RA ] PLASMA GUN
[LA ] PLASMA GUN


Armor:
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Loc/Internal/Armor/Points/mm

[Head] (11) Vicenium 015 [026mm]
[RT ] (17) Vicenium 022 [037mm]
[CT ] (21) Vicenium 021 [036mm]
[CBT ] (11) Vicenium 022 [037mm]
[LT ] (17) Vicenium 021 [036mm]
[RA ] (19) Vicenium 021 [036mm]
[LA ] (19) Vicenium 021 [036mm]
[LowT] (13) Vicenium 021 [036mm]
[RL ] (17) Vicenium 021 [036mm]
[LL ] (17) Vicenium 021 [036mm]

Armorindex: 5.26 [Total APts/T]
Internal: 162 [APts]
External: 206 [APts] Max:[068mm]
Total Armor: 368 [APts]


JOCK requirements:
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Piloting: skill on Light Titan
Weapons : Energy
Warfare : Scanner
Skills : D.C.S Medical



Titan Name: <Bang> (Light Attack Titan)
Chassis: Morola L4
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Weight: 70.0t (70t maximum) Height : 10 [meter]
Bmt : 19 (63 kph) Reduce Heat: -2.4C/sec.
Jmt : 12 (100 kph) for 107 secs Cost : 127196 ($)


Equipment:
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Component/Type/Location

Engine :Triton T2 [Engine 2] [CT ]
Heatreg.:Delinit H4 [Heat 4]
D.C.S. :Surko [D.C.S.3] [LT ]
LifeSup.:B.M.I. [Life 3] [Head]
Scanner :CyberSys L [Scan 3] [CBT ]
Computer:Triton TC [Comp. 4] [RT ]
JumpPort:Mark MJ-I [Jump 6]


Weapons:
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Location/Weapon/Ammunition/SL

[RA ] AUTO CANNON 4 (025) [1]
[LA ] AUTO CANNON 4 (025) [1]
[RT ] AUTO CANNON 4 (025) [1]
[LT ] AUTO CANNON 4 (025) [1]


Armor:
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Loc/Internal/Armor/Points/mm

[Head] (11) Vicenium 016 [027mm]
[RT ] (19) Vicenium 019 [033mm]
[CT ] (19) Vicenium 019 [033mm]
[CBT ] (13) Vicenium 019 [033mm]
[LT ] (19) Vicenium 012 [021mm]
[RA ] (19) Vicenium 019 [032mm]
[LA ] (19) Vicenium 019 [032mm]
[LowT] (13) Vicenium 019 [032mm]
[RL ] (17) Vicenium 019 [032mm]
[LL ] (17) Vicenium 019 [032mm]

Armorindex: 4.94 [Total APts/T]
Internal: 166 [APts]
External: 180 [APts] Max:[071mm]
Total Armor: 346 [APts]


JOCK requirements:
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Piloting: skill on Light Titan incl. Jump
Weapons : Cannon
Warfare : Scanner
Skills : D.C.S Recon



Titan Name: <Boom> (Light Close Combat Titan)
Chassis: Morola L3
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Weight: 70.0t (70t maximum) Height : 10 [meter]
Bmt : 20 (60 kph) Reduce Heat: -2.1C/sec.
Jmt : 16 (75 kph) for 64 secs Cost : 127891 ($)


Equipment:
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Component/Type/Location

Engine :CyberSys [Engine 3] [CT ]
Heatreg.:Teflin [Heat 3]
D.C.S. :Surko [D.C.S.3] [RT ]
LifeSup.:B.M.I. [Life 3] [Head]
Scanner :CyberSys L [Scan 3] [RT ]
Computer:Triton TC [Comp. 4] [LT ]
JumpPort:Aerojol [Jump 2]


Weapons:
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Location/Weapon/Ammunition/SL

[LA ] AUTO CANNON 12 (015) [1]
[RA ] AUTO CANNON 12 (015) [1]


Armor:
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Loc/Internal/Armor/Points/mm

[Head] (11) Vicenium 015 [026mm]
[RT ] (17) Vicenium 020 [034mm]
[CT ] (21) Vicenium 020 [034mm]
[CBT ] (11) Vicenium 021 [035mm]
[LT ] (17) Vicenium 020 [034mm]
[RA ] (19) Vicenium 013 [022mm]
[LA ] (19) Vicenium 013 [022mm]
[LowT] (13) Vicenium 020 [034mm]
[RL ] (17) Vicenium 019 [033mm]
[LL ] (17) Vicenium 019 [033mm]

Armorindex: 4.89 [Total APts/T]
Internal: 162 [APts]
External: 180 [APts] Max:[068mm]
Total Armor: 342 [APts]


JOCK requirements:
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Piloting: skill on Light Titan incl. Jump
Weapons : Cannon
Warfare : Scanner
Skills : D.C.S Recon


So, how badly do they suck?
Also, I'm just looking for any tips that would help me keep my titans in one (or two) pieces.

Hello? Are you still there?

First quick tip : Get maximum protection for your head !

Okay, set them up with better head armor...

Originally posted by Damnit73
So the 'Rec' numbers are the reload time?

Also, I'm just looking for any tips that would help me keep my titans in one (or two) pieces.

Rec stands for Recycle, as in reload for ammo based weapons and recharge for power driven weapons.

I posted a few tips recently in another thread, should be down there somewhere. Just don't expect to come out of any battle unscathed

Originally posted by Thorgrim
Rec stands for Recycle, as in reload for ammo based weapons and recharge for power driven weapons.

I posted a few tips recently in another thread, should be down there somewhere. Just don't expect to come out of any battle unscathed

Yeah, I guessed that after I was pointed towards it. It'll be a lot easier choosing a good heat reg. for my titans now...

The post I mentioned is in "Ack I'm blind" thread. I'll paste it here:


Concentrate your fire on one titan at a time. Use terrain to your advantage, and prevent the AI from benefiting from it. Ambush he AI. Don't destroy engines when one of your titans is within 2 hexes from them. Watch your heat, especially in ammo dependent titans. Instead of destroying the AI, try to disable it in a way that it can't hurt you - you'll get more salvage too. Stay away from fires, acid and lava. Set woods the AI is standing in on fire. Use smoke screens (firing ACs at hexes) or steam to cover your advances, or to block LoFs when standing ground. Dodge if you need to evade fire. Use the defensive systems when available. Water cools your titan down faster, but requires skill checks.
And so much more. Use common sense / standard tactics, it'll work most of the time.

Originally posted by Damnit73
Yeah, I guessed that after I was pointed towards it. It'll be a lot easier choosing a good heat reg. for my titans now...

That's crucial. Just don't forget that your titans will have to move, so you should factor those +1.3C/sec (for run) in your calculations. Unless the titan is supposed to be in a support role, which however does not exclude it having to move now and then. Also allow some room for an active shield if the titan has one.

About your designs,

Warrior: twin plasmas in a light is a little too much. You don't have the heat reg or the engine to support them. There's no way it'll be effective. A non-energy weapon there would be more effective. Check the Thor for example, in the standard database. BTW, by removing 1mm of armor from some locations with 21 APs, you can increase the others with 21 to 22 (APs in those you remove won't change).

Bang: your LT is vulnerable, I'd drop something (reduce engine, no need for such a big one; reduce jump ports) to switch armor to titanium or something - half your firepower depends on that LT. Remove 1mm of armor from RT, CT, CBT - APs won't change. Notice I haven't built these designs, I'm just looking at them and making observations. Sometimes it's possible to move the equipment around and gain slots that way.

Boom: arm armor is weak, engine too big. Downgrade engine to 1 and try to switch armor to titanium. Remove 1mm of armor in each leg and you'll gain some tonnage (APs won't change).


Whenever you need to gain some tonnage, lower your CBT armor, and downgrade some of the less needed equipment.

Here's an example of how the Warrior's armor could look like (not changing anything else!):

[Head] (11) Vicenium 015 [025mm] -1mm
[RT ] (17) Vicenium 022 [037mm]
[CT ] (21) Vicenium 022 [037mm]
[CBT ] (11) Vicenium 017 [029mm] -8mm
[LT ] (17) Vicenium 022 [037mm]
[RA ] (19) Vicenium 022 [037mm]
[LA ] (19) Vicenium 022 [037mm]
[LowT] (13) Vicenium 022 [037mm]
[RL ] (17) Vicenium 022 [037mm]
[LL ] (17) Vicenium 022 [037mm]

Same can applied to the other designs.
Getting some more APs on the engine location is usually a good idea, as you don't want it to be destroyed. Check the database for usual armor configurations.


Notice that you'll only take damage in the CBT if you let your opponent get on your back, or if you're prone face down.

Here's the latest versions of my titans:


Titan Name: <Bang> (Light Close Combat Titan)
Chassis: Morola L4
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Weight: 70.0t (70t maximum) Height : 10 [meter]
Bmt : 19 (63 kph) Reduce Heat: -2.4C/sec.
Jmt : 16 (75 kph) for 64 secs Cost : 138091 ($)


Equipment:
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Component/Type/Location

Engine :Morola M1 [Engine 1] [CT ]
Heatreg.:Delinit H4 [Heat 4]
D.C.S. :Repakoff [D.C.S.1] [CBT ]
LifeSup.:B.M.I. [Life 3] [Head]
Scanner :CyberSys L [Scan 3] [Head]
Computer:CyberSys [Comp. 2] [LT ]
JumpPort:Aerojol [Jump 2]


Weapons:
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Location/Weapon/Ammunition/SL

[RA ] AUTO CANNON 4 (025) [1]
[LA ] AUTO CANNON 4 (025) [1]
[RT ] AUTO CANNON 4 (025) [1]
[LT ] AUTO CANNON 4 (025) [1]


Armor:
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Loc/Internal/Armor/Points/mm

[Head] (11) Dullaroy 018 [027mm]
[RT ] (19) Vicenium 033 [055mm]
[CT ] (19) Vicenium 033 [055mm]
[CBT ] (13) Vicenium 033 [055mm]
[LT ] (19) Vicenium 033 [055mm]
[RA ] (19) Vicenium 033 [055mm]
[LA ] (19) Vicenium 033 [055mm]
[LowT] (13) Vicenium 033 [055mm]
[RL ] (17) Vicenium 033 [055mm]
[LL ] (17) Vicenium 033 [055mm]

Armorindex: 6.88 [Total APts/T]
Internal: 166 [APts]
External: 315 [APts] Max:[071mm]
Total Armor: 481 [APts]


JOCK requirements:
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Piloting: skill on Light Titan incl. Jump
Weapons : Cannon
Warfare : Scanner
Skills : D.C.S Recon


Titan Name: <Boom> (Light Close Combat Titan)
Chassis: Morola L3
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Weight: 70.0t (70t maximum) Height : 10 [meter]
Bmt : 20 (60 kph) Reduce Heat: -2.4C/sec.
Jmt : 16 (75 kph) for 64 secs Cost : 127164 ($)


Equipment:
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Component/Type/Location

Engine :Morola M1 [Engine 1] [CT ]
Heatreg.:Delinit H4 [Heat 4]
D.C.S. :Repakoff [D.C.S.1] [RT ]
LifeSup.:B.M.I. [Life 3] [LT ]
Scanner :CyberSys L [Scan 3] [LT ]
Computer:CyberSys [Comp. 2] [CBT ]
JumpPort:Aerojol [Jump 2]


Weapons:
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Location/Weapon/Ammunition/SL

[LA ] AUTO CANNON 12 (015) [1]
[RA ] AUTO CANNON 12 (015) [1]


Armor:
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Loc/Internal/Armor/Points/mm

[Head] (11) Dullaroy 018 [026mm]
[RT ] (17) Vicenium 029 [049mm]
[CT ] (21) Vicenium 029 [049mm]
[CBT ] (11) Vicenium 028 [048mm]
[LT ] (17) Vicenium 028 [048mm]
[RA ] (19) Dullaroy 016 [023mm]
[LA ] (19) Dullaroy 016 [023mm]
[LowT] (13) Vicenium 029 [049mm]
[RL ] (17) Vicenium 029 [049mm]
[LL ] (17) Vicenium 029 [049mm]

Armorindex: 5.90 [Total APts/T]
Internal: 162 [APts]
External: 251 [APts] Max:[068mm]
Total Armor: 413 [APts]


JOCK requirements:
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Piloting: skill on Light Titan incl. Jump
Weapons : Cannon
Warfare : Scanner
Skills : D.C.S Recon


Titan Name: <Warrior> (Light Close Combat Titan)
Chassis: Morola L3
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Weight: 70.0t (70t maximum) Height : 10 [meter]
Bmt : 20 (60 kph) Reduce Heat: -2.7C/sec.
No Jump-Ports Cost : 145239 ($)


Equipment:
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Component/Type/Location

Engine :Krios K4 [Engine 4] [CT ]
Heatreg.:Smac Corp. [Heat 5]
D.C.S. :Repakoff [D.C.S.1] [LT ]
LifeSup.:Phillippi [Life 2] [Head]
Scanner :Triton [Scan 4] [RT ]
Computer:CyberSys [Comp. 2] [LowT]


Weapons:
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Location/Weapon/Ammunition/SL

[LA ] LARGE LASER
[LA ] POWER AXE
[RA ] LARGE LASER
[RA ] POWER AXE


Armor:
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Loc/Internal/Armor/Points/mm

[Head] (11) Dullaroy 018 [026mm]
[RT ] (17) Vicenium 027 [045mm]
[CT ] (21) Vicenium 027 [045mm]
[CBT ] (11) Vicenium 026 [044mm]
[LT ] (17) Vicenium 026 [044mm]
[RA ] (19) Vicenium 027 [045mm]
[LA ] (19) Vicenium 027 [045mm]
[LowT] (13) Vicenium 027 [045mm]
[RL ] (17) Vicenium 027 [045mm]
[LL ] (17) Vicenium 027 [045mm]

Armorindex: 6.02 [Total APts/T]
Internal: 162 [APts]
External: 259 [APts] Max:[068mm]
Total Armor: 421 [APts]


JOCK requirements:
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Piloting: skill on Light Titan
Weapons : Energy C.C.
Warfare : Scanner
Skills : D.C.S Medical

Bang: You can remove 1mm in the head's armor - whenever you repair the titan, you'll pay those 65$ even if it contributes nothing to armor. You can reduce CBT armor to improve your DCS.

Boom: arm armor can go up to 19 [38mm] with titanium. Having good armor in the other locations will usually not be of any use if your arms are destroyed, since you'll lose all your firepower. Remove 1mm armor from CBT to add it to LT if possible (they are different sizes).

Warrior: still 2 big energy weapons, and your heat reg can't handle them. You also have 2 CC weapons, so I assume you want to move - that's less 3 PUs and 1.3C/sec at your disposal. Check the Penetrator design for a dual-LL titan.

Okay, here's the latest:


Titan Name: <Bang> (Light Close Combat Titan)
Chassis: Morola L4
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Weight: 69.9t (70t maximum) Height : 10 [meter]
Bmt : 19 (63 kph) Reduce Heat: -2.4C/sec.
Jmt : 16 (75 kph) for 64 secs Cost : 137166 ($)


Equipment:
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Component/Type/Location

Engine :Morola M1 [Engine 1] [CT ]
Heatreg.:Delinit H4 [Heat 4]
D.C.S. :Triton R2 [D.C.S.2] [CBT ]
LifeSup.:B.M.I. [Life 3] [Head]
Scanner :CyberSys L [Scan 3] [Head]
Computer:CyberSys [Comp. 2] [LT ]
JumpPort:Aerojol [Jump 2]


Weapons:
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Location/Weapon/Ammunition/SL

[RA ] AUTO CANNON 4 (025) [1]
[LA ] AUTO CANNON 4 (025) [1]
[RT ] AUTO CANNON 4 (025) [1]
[LT ] AUTO CANNON 4 (025) [1]


Armor:
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Loc/Internal/Armor/Points/mm

[Head] (11) Dullaroy 018 [026mm]
[RT ] (19) Vicenium 033 [055mm]
[CT ] (19) Vicenium 033 [055mm]
[CBT ] (13) Vicenium 016 [027mm]
[LT ] (19) Vicenium 033 [055mm]
[RA ] (19) Vicenium 033 [055mm]
[LA ] (19) Vicenium 033 [055mm]
[LowT] (13) Vicenium 033 [055mm]
[RL ] (17) Vicenium 033 [055mm]
[LL ] (17) Vicenium 033 [055mm]

Armorindex: 6.64 [Total APts/T]
Internal: 166 [APts]
External: 298 [APts] Max:[071mm]
Total Armor: 464 [APts]


JOCK requirements:
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Piloting: skill on Light Titan incl. Jump
Weapons : Cannon
Warfare : Scanner
Skills : D.C.S Recon


Titan Name: <Boom> (Light Close Combat Titan)
Chassis: Morola L3
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Weight: 69.6t (70t maximum) Height : 10 [meter]
Bmt : 20 (60 kph) Reduce Heat: -2.4C/sec.
Jmt : 16 (75 kph) for 64 secs Cost : 124586 ($)


Equipment:
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Component/Type/Location

Engine :Morola M1 [Engine 1] [CT ]
Heatreg.:Delinit H4 [Heat 4]
D.C.S. :Repakoff [D.C.S.1] [RT ]
LifeSup.:B.M.I. [Life 3] [LT ]
Scanner :CyberSys L [Scan 3] [LT ]
Computer:CyberSys [Comp. 2] [CBT ]
JumpPort:Aerojol [Jump 2]


Weapons:
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Location/Weapon/Ammunition/SL

[LA ] AUTO CANNON 12 (015) [1]
[RA ] AUTO CANNON 12 (015) [1]


Armor:
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Loc/Internal/Armor/Points/mm

[Head] (11) Dullaroy 018 [026mm]
[RT ] (17) Vicenium 027 [045mm]
[CT ] (21) Vicenium 027 [045mm]
[CBT ] (11) Vicenium 021 [035mm]
[LT ] (17) Vicenium 027 [045mm]
[RA ] (19) Titanium 019 [038mm]
[LA ] (19) Titanium 019 [038mm]
[LowT] (13) Vicenium 027 [045mm]
[RL ] (17) Vicenium 027 [045mm]
[LL ] (17) Vicenium 027 [045mm]

Armorindex: 5.76 [Total APts/T]
Internal: 162 [APts]
External: 239 [APts] Max:[068mm]
Total Armor: 401 [APts]


JOCK requirements:
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Piloting: skill on Light Titan incl. Jump
Weapons : Cannon
Warfare : Scanner
Skills : D.C.S Recon


Titan Name: <Warrior> (Light Close Combat Titan)
Chassis: Morola L3
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Weight: 69.9t (70t maximum) Height : 10 [meter]
Bmt : 20 (60 kph) Reduce Heat: -2.7C/sec.
No Jump-Ports Cost : 143488 ($)


Equipment:
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Component/Type/Location

Engine :Krios K4 [Engine 4] [CT ]
Heatreg.:Smac Corp. [Heat 5]
D.C.S. :Repakoff [D.C.S.1] [LT ]
LifeSup.:Phillippi [Life 2] [Head]
Scanner :Triton [Scan 4] [RT ]
Computer:CyberSys [Comp. 2] [LowT]


Weapons:
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Location/Weapon/Ammunition/SL

[RA ] LARGE LASER
[LA ] CHAIN SAW


Armor:
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Loc/Internal/Armor/Points/mm

[Head] (11) Dullaroy 018 [026mm]
[RT ] (17) Vicenium 030 [050mm]
[CT ] (21) Vicenium 030 [050mm]
[CBT ] (11) Vicenium 030 [050mm]
[LT ] (17) Vicenium 030 [050mm]
[RA ] (19) Dullaroy 032 [047mm]
[LA ] (19) Dullaroy 032 [047mm]
[LowT] (13) Vicenium 033 [055mm]
[RL ] (17) Vicenium 033 [055mm]
[LL ] (17) Vicenium 033 [055mm]

Armorindex: 6.62 [Total APts/T]
Internal: 162 [APts]
External: 301 [APts] Max:[068mm]
Total Armor: 463 [APts]


JOCK requirements:
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Piloting: skill on Light Titan
Weapons : Energy C.C.
Warfare : Scanner
Skills : D.C.S Medical

Btw, I'll be offline for about 5 hours from now, (:() so don't get angry if I don't reply for a bit...

Angry?!
Nobody around here gets angry for anything, much less for something like this. This is a forum, people come here whenever they can or please, to talk about the game. So you can relax, we're all friendly around here. But keep in mind that it's not always possible to talk in real time - there are tools for that
I was only giving you a few tips for starting. You have to find your own way from now on. I don't mean I (or anyone else here for that matter) won't help anymore, but half the fun of the game is finding out stuff on your own.
Any questions, just ask and someone will answer. Have fun!

As for the Warrior, check out the Pharaoh for a similar design, with a CLG.
If you feel you need more firepower, you can always trade the Chain Saw for two Power Axes. Notice however that you'll produce a lot more heat. Check the Attila too.

Please ignore this. I had asked a question and found the answer.

Originally posted by Thorgrim
Angry?!
Nobody around here gets angry for anything, much less for something like this. This is a forum, people come here whenever they can or please, to talk about the game. So you can relax, we're all friendly around here. But keep in mind that it's not always possible to talk in real time - there are tools for that
I was only giving you a few tips for starting. You have to find your own way from now on. I don't mean I (or anyone else here for that matter) won't help anymore, but half the fun of the game is finding out stuff on your own.
Any questions, just ask and someone will answer. Have fun!

As for the Warrior, check out the Pharaoh for a similar design, with a CLG.
If you feel you need more firepower, you can always trade the Chain Saw for two Power Axes. Notice however that you'll produce a lot more heat. Check the Attila too.

I'll try the CLG sometime, but for now, I'm going to stick with the large laser.
Everything works as I want it to so far. Bang is good at all ranges, better as it gets closer, Boom is great at medium to close range, Warrior is good at medium to close and great at Close Combat.

Yay! I actually won with my own titans!