Seaplanes not repairing at base w/CS vessel

[BananaConvention]

I need help understanding some game mechanics.

I have a unit of Emilies working out of this base (see base card). It has 0 aviation support, but it has a CS (Chitose) anchored in port with +24 for float plane support.

The aircraft have been stuck at these repair and estimated dates for 3 turns. Why are these aircraft not being repaired and returned to service? Doesn't the anchored AS provide the required aviation support?

(Base card)
(plane card)

EDIT: This forum is weird, I don't know how to upload pictures here.

[Macquarrie1999]

Does the AV have supply?

[Platoonist]

The Emily has a service rating of four which likely makes them slow to repair.

[BananaConvention]

The ship had no supply loaded. I thought the aircraft would draw from the base's pre-existing supply. Maybe that's it. If the Emily has a service rating of 4, why quote me 1 day of repair and then not repair for those 1 days? It must be the lack of supply loaded on the ship.

[spence]

First off - do you have an AS (submarine tender) or an AV (seaplane tender)?

Second - if it is an AV is it itself damaged? I don't think a damaged tender will repair anything. I know a damaged AR/ARSB won't repair anything else.

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[RangerJoe]

I think that damaged tenders will repair if they are not in a repair mode themselves.

[BananaConvention]

ORIGINAL: spence

First off - do you have an AS (submarine tender) or an AV (seaplane tender)?

Second - if it is an AV is it itself damaged? I don't think a damaged tender will repair anything. I know a damaged AR/ARSB won't repair anything else.

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First off - do you have an AS (submarine tender) or an AV (seaplane tender)?

Forgive me, I misspoke. The ship in question is a CS, the Chitose. It is undamaged and has no supply loaded.

[Kull]

ORIGINAL: BananaConvention

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It can be a little confusing. The two buttons at the bottom of the thread ("post reply" and "fast reply") don't include the option to attach a picture. Choose one of the two at the top of somebody's post ("reply" or "quote").

Edit: Der - "post reply" does have the option to attach pictures

[Kull]

The reply/quote buttons result in a screen like the one below. "Click here to upload" allows you to go grab a picture from one of your folders (can navigate to different folders as needed) but you also have to check the "Embed picture in post" box for it to appear in your post

[Q-Ball]

Pictures would help, but the planes should repair with the conditions you describe; supply can be either on the ship or at the base.

Note that just because under PLANES it says the plane will be 1 day to repair, that is an estimate; it's not ironclad. Generally, EMILY repairs very slowly and you simply cannot use them in a sustained and daily way.

For sustained search operations from Size-0 base, use the JAKE. Less range, but it's easy to repair and can fly constantly.

Anyway, post some pictures and we can help!

[RangerJoe]

You can also edit your own post and add a picture then.

[BananaConvention]

Base Card

Aircraft Card

Pictures uploaded here, they should tell the full story.

[LargeSlowTarget]

I think CS can support only float planes. The Emily is not a float plane type but a patrol type. Manual says CS is "...adapted to carry and operate float-type aircraft..." while AV is "...used to tend float planes and flying boats" - so there seems to be a distinction.

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget

I think CS can support only float planes. The Emily is not a float plane type put a patrol type. Manual says CS is "...adapted to carry and operate float-type aircraft..." while AV is "...used to tend float planes and flying boats" - so there seems to be a distinction.

+1, additionally, don't the planes have to be operating from the CS for it to repair?

[Q-Ball]

ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget

I think CS can support only float planes. The Emily is not a float plane type put a patrol type. Manual says CS is "...adapted to carry and operate float-type aircraft..." while AV is "...used to tend float planes and flying boats" - so there seems to be a distinction.

Almost 20 years and I didn't realize that distinction until now....but I think that's right! Just goes to show how complex this game can be...

[KingHart]

ORIGINAL: BananaConvention

I need help understanding some game mechanics.

I have a unit of Emilies working out of this base (see base card). It has 0 aviation support, but it has a CS (Chitose) anchored in port with +24 for float plane support.

The aircraft have been stuck at these repair and estimated dates for 3 turns. Why are these aircraft not being repaired and returned to service? Doesn't the anchored AS provide the required aviation support?

(Base card)
(plane card)

EDIT: This forum is weird, I don't know how to upload pictures here.

A few notes on your situation:

1. In the Guadalcanal scenario the Chitose has 0 cargo capacity (in Grand Campaign the capacity is 2080), so you cannot load supply on the ship, thus that is not the problem.

2. The Emily is a float patrol plane, so it can be supported by a CS.

3. Your situation is not a repair problem; none of the planes has any damage.

4. The problem is maintenance. Planes being grounded for maintenance is caused by high fatigue. High fatigue is caused by overuse. The best way to lower fatigue is to stand down the unit.

5. Please note that there are 2 types of fatigue: Pilot and Plane. Check your pilot list for this unit, you will probably see 3-4 pilots that have high fatigue levels.

6. The Emily has a service rating of 4, which gives the plane a poor maintenance rating of 25 (100 is the best), meaning it takes longer for the plane fatigue to decrease.

7. Please also remember AE is a Gary Grigsby game, which means die rolls; a lot of `em. Nothing is automatic. If one of your planes has been stuck on 1-day-to-repair for several days, it has been getting bad die rolls. Factors that may be negatively affecting your situation include base size, base support, and being in a Malaria zone.

8. You may want to consider moving this unit back to Rabaul and substitute a unit of Jake's.

Hope this helps.

[BananaConvention]

ORIGINAL: KingHart
A few notes on your situation:

1. In the Guadalcanal scenario the Chitose has 0 cargo capacity (in Grand Campaign the capacity is 2080), so you cannot load supply on the ship, thus that is not the problem.

2. The Emily is a float patrol plane, so it can be supported by a CS.

3. Your situation is not a repair problem; none of the planes has any damage.

4. The problem is maintenance. Planes being grounded for maintenance is caused by high fatigue. High fatigue is caused by overuse. The best way to lower fatigue is to stand down the unit.

5. Please note that there are 2 types of fatigue: Pilot and Plane. Check your pilot list for this unit, you will probably see 3-4 pilots that have high fatigue levels.

6. The Emily has a service rating of 4, which gives the plane a poor maintenance rating of 25 (100 is the best), meaning it takes longer for the plane fatigue to decrease.

7. Please also remember AE is a Gary Grigsby game, which means die rolls; a lot of `em. Nothing is automatic. If one of your planes has been stuck on 1-day-to-repair for several days, it has been getting bad die rolls. Factors that may be negatively affecting your situation include base size, base support, and being in a Malaria zone.

8. You may want to consider moving this unit back to Rabaul and substitute a unit of Jake's.

Hope this helps.

A few notes on your situation:

1. In the Guadalcanal scenario the Chitose has 0 cargo capacity (in Grand Campaign the capacity is 2080), so you cannot load supply on the ship, thus that is not the problem.

2. The Emily is a float patrol plane, so it can be supported by a CS.

3. Your situation is not a repair problem; none of the planes has any damage.

4. The problem is maintenance. Planes being grounded for maintenance is caused by high fatigue. High fatigue is caused by overuse. The best way to lower fatigue is to stand down the unit.

5. Please note that there are 2 types of fatigue: Pilot and Plane. Check your pilot list for this unit, you will probably see 3-4 pilots that have high fatigue levels.

6. The Emily has a service rating of 4, which gives the plane a poor maintenance rating of 25 (100 is the best), meaning it takes longer for the plane fatigue to decrease.

7. Please also remember AE is a Gary Grigsby game, which means die rolls; a lot of `em. Nothing is automatic. If one of your planes has been stuck on 1-day-to-repair for several days, it has been getting bad die rolls. Factors that may be negatively affecting your situation include base size, base support, and being in a Malaria zone.

8. You may want to consider moving this unit back to Rabaul and substitute a unit of Jake's.

Hope this helps.

I think you may be onto something. I checked my Emily's this turn, and two have been restored and the remaining two have completely different repair estimates. I've moved an AV down there as well to back up the CS; I think you may have the right idea about the dice rolls, because everything else on paper made sense for the aircraft to be repaired.

[Lowpe]

I can't recall every using CS as a disbanded seaplane tender, but they obviously have that capability.

This from stock game 1.

[Lokasenna]

I believe the ones onboard might operate while it is disbanded in port (or they might not).

The Seaplane Support means they support planes that are at the base that the CS is disbanded at.

[Chris21wen]

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

I believe the ones onboard might operate while it is disbanded in port (or they might not).

The Seaplane Support means they support planes that are at the base that the CS is disbanded at.

Did a little test or I though it was going to be.

Active groups set to 100 search max range. Used pilot missions to indicate flying. At no time did any AV or CS have supply on board.

Intial tests catagorically showed no sorties ever flew form ships disbanded in port. Then comes Babeldaob!

I had disbanded two CS in Babeldaob each had one group set to search, the other rest. The search groups flew? I had another CS in Hiroshima, similar set up but the search groups did NOT fly??

I started put them into TF with various movement instructions, disbanding once they reach they destination. It seems that if you move the AV/CS that won't fly to a different port they will, sometimes! For instance I moved one CS to Nagaski from Hiroshima and it would not, then moved it to Amami Oshima and it did. Likewise I moved a AV in and out of Truk no joy. Once I sent it to Saipan it did??

I also moved one CS back to Hiroshima from Saipan and again no FP would fly???

If you put the ship into a TF and move it somewhere else then when FP will fly when the ship is disbanded, sometimes?

Now am I missing something or is this a bug?

Supply
AV TF with two groups sent to Japanese dot base Torishima with no supply at base or on AV. One group I based there the other remained on board, docked. Both flew sorties. The one on board with 3+1 a/c fles an average of 6 a day. The one at the base with 6+2 a/c flew 10 on average. The shore based on also fly when the AV was disbanned.

Another AV at Amani Oshima with no supply at base or onboard also flew sorties while in a TF.

Pilots
One thing unassociated with this test, pilots with the lowest exp seem to take preference for patrol.