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Stamb wrote: Wed Mar 02, 2022 9:16 am Well, it is not easy in PvP game.
But it is much easier vs human, in my experience (1 game vs AI, 1 vs human), than vs AI.

Because AI teleports everywhere. And you have to have reserves to cover whole frontline.

Also I was lucky to take Leningrad which allowed me to free some forces (in both games)


From the start of the game it was clear that panzers suck in `41 vs mech/armor Soviet forces. And when it was clear that I will not push any further I decided to send some panzers to Reserve for a few turns (to refit), and then to west TB.
As a result I was able to send infantry divisions to a map (I specifically select IDs that have only 1 transfer, and it is transfer to a map, not to mess any other TBs later in the game.) earlier than planned. For example some division come to a map at turn 34. But I was able to send it on a map on turn 28. Because I have panzers from a map(reserve) to compensate missing CV.

And then ground requirements in west TB drops.

As a result in March `41 I had something like 8 pazner divisions in the west and reserve that were waiting for a TOE update and after that - ready to be sent to a map.
In some AAR, probably AlbertN's, I asked question if it is a viable strategy, and people said that it might work. And now I confirm that it works. It is better to have ID on a map than a panzer one, as 1 turn in blizzard hex without city/urban/heavy urban/fort lvl 2 or higher and ALL panzers become damaged. I saw it.

But was it possible to withdraw all panzers? I couldn't. I think I still had 8-10 panzers on a map for the whole winter.

malyhin1517 wrote: Wed Mar 02, 2022 10:08 am It is impossible to withdraw tanks from the map when the theaters are blocked! You won't be able to get them back! In fact, we are talking about the rotation of tanks in exchange for infantry divisions! But playing with blocked theaters is boring! I advise you to manage the theaters yourself! This adds a lot of interesting things to the game!

M60A3TTS wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 4:18 am A few things about panzers and winter.

It is possible to send panzer divisions to the reserves for rehab, but it's best to do it gradually. One to three at most should be there at any one time. The turn after they arrive in the reserves not much will happen. Set the unit(s) on refit and on following turns the damaged tanks will disappear as they are either repaired or deemed non-repairable and get tossed out. Then new equipment will be added in. Depending on how many tanks are in the unit that goes back to the reserves will need a couple weeks at least to refit.

I'd recommend sending all reserve tank battalions that start to arrive in the reserves on the first 1942 turn be sent to OKH on map. You really don't need to use those units extensively unless you want to refit a division's tanks wholesale. If they stay in the reserves, the AI is liable to fill them with a few tanks here and there and you really want them in the divisions. Once you are done rehabbing the divisions, you can refit the battalions as you see fit.

When you bring the division back on map it may be lacking significant trucks. No problem, just refit it on the Berlin hex and the NSS will fill the unit with trucks.

Every panzer division has recon, CS and medium tanks. Focus on the mediums. Recon tanks will never be produced in sufficient numbers to fill your divisions and in the big/historical scheme of things is already on it's way out. Same goes for the CS tank. The Panzer IIIN with the short 75mm was the last German CS tank and their final production year was 1943. You can always use a 21-vehicle StuG battalion in lieu of these type vehicles.

Most fully equipped panzer divisions will want to have about 114 mediums. In 1942 terms, that's about three weeks of production. The Czech TO&E that has a lot more mediums allocated will change to a standard 1942 TOE in April.

Lastly, understand that as long as your on map panzer division stays in Germany or Poland, you will not suffer first winter attrition through the end of March 1942. But as soon as you step into the Soviet Union, they become casualties. So make an effort to stay put until it's safe again.

In my current PvP game by mid April, I only had three panzer divisions that were not sent back. One I did use the replacement battalions on, the other two just stayed put and gradually they got replacements.

M60A3TTS wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 4:18 am A few things about panzers and winter.

It is possible to send panzer divisions to the reserves for rehab, but it's best to do it gradually. One to three at most should be there at any one time. The turn after they arrive in the reserves not much will happen. Set the unit(s) on refit and on following turns the damaged tanks will disappear as they are either repaired or deemed non-repairable and get tossed out. Then new equipment will be added in. Depending on how many tanks are in the unit that goes back to the reserves will need a couple weeks at least to refit.

I'd recommend sending all reserve tank battalions that start to arrive in the reserves on the first 1942 turn be sent to OKH on map. You really don't need to use those units extensively unless you want to refit a division's tanks wholesale. If they stay in the reserves, the AI is liable to fill them with a few tanks here and there and you really want them in the divisions. Once you are done rehabbing the divisions, you can refit the battalions as you see fit.

When you bring the division back on map it may be lacking significant trucks. No problem, just refit it on the Berlin hex and the NSS will fill the unit with trucks.

Every panzer division has recon, CS and medium tanks. Focus on the mediums. Recon tanks will never be produced in sufficient numbers to fill your divisions and in the big/historical scheme of things is already on it's way out. Same goes for the CS tank. The Panzer IIIN with the short 75mm was the last German CS tank and their final production year was 1943. You can always use a 21-vehicle StuG battalion in lieu of these type vehicles.

Most fully equipped panzer divisions will want to have about 114 mediums. In 1942 terms, that's about three weeks of production. The Czech TO&E that has a lot more mediums allocated will change to a standard 1942 TOE in April.

Lastly, understand that as long as your on map panzer division stays in Germany or Poland, you will not suffer first winter attrition through the end of March 1942. But as soon as you step into the Soviet Union, they become casualties. So make an effort to stay put until it's safe again.

In my current PvP game by mid April, I only had three panzer divisions that were not sent back. One I did use the replacement battalions on, the other two just stayed put and gradually they got replacements.