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If their traits stay the same where they are is there any reason to send them to a research station to possibly lose them to attack? Do they give extra bonuses to a station or is it the same if they stay on the safer home planet?

In my experience with the game so far, scientists don't produce any bonus to research unless they are have labs to work with.

Menzoberranzan wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:50 am In my experience with the game so far, scientists don't produce any bonus to research unless they are have labs to work with.

This is correct, send them to the science station with the particular bonus you want to maximise.

If you have built a research module at your homeworld space station, it doesn't matter

I somehow remembered in DW1 ONLY THE HIGHEST buff counted , but not here in DW 2 ...
it feels like a dumbed down version, because in DW 1 it made sense that you transferred a scientist with a high "industry" buff to a station , with that buff to add them also ... but in DW 2 , it seems ALL buff counts ... have to double check, if it is really the case

Bleek wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 7:54 am This is correct, send them to the science station with the particular bonus you want to maximise.

Eh, it doesn't matter. All bonuses add up anyway, so there's no benefit from matching scientists to location bonuses. That's an old habit from DW1, when only the highest scientist+location bonus per category mattered, but that's no longer the case.

BTAxis wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 7:58 am

Bleek wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 7:54 am This is correct, send them to the science station with the particular bonus you want to maximise.

Eh, it doesn't matter. All bonuses add up anyway, so there's no benefit from matching scientists to location bonuses. That's an old habit from DW1, when only the highest scientist+location bonus per category mattered, but that's no longer the case.

ah okay so it is really A DUMBED DOWN version, one more mini game removed

BTAxis wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 7:58 am

Bleek wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 7:54 am This is correct, send them to the science station with the particular bonus you want to maximise.

Eh, it doesn't matter. All bonuses add up anyway, so there's no benefit from matching scientists to location bonuses. That's an old habit from DW1, when only the highest scientist+location bonus per category mattered, but that's no longer the case.

So you just put every single scientist at your home space station and that's all you need to do?

That would do it, yep. The only real potential downside to that is that one of the scientists might be Demoralizing, thereby gimping all the others.

Also, if that station is attacked by the enemy they can nab all your scientists in one go, but if this happens at your capital you probably have bigger problems.

BTAxis wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 7:58 am

Bleek wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 7:54 am This is correct, send them to the science station with the particular bonus you want to maximise.

Eh, it doesn't matter. All bonuses add up anyway, so there's no benefit from matching scientists to location bonuses. That's an old habit from DW1, when only the highest scientist+location bonus per category mattered, but that's no longer the case.

Why am I only just learning this now after 100s of hours in the beta. Doh!

sounds like it should be just one scientist per station/lab.
shoveing 5 scientists in your spaceport feels weird from a gameplay design.

Lunalis wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:37 am sounds like it should be just one scientist per station/lab.
shoveing 5 scientists in your spaceport feels weird from a gameplay design.

Agreed. One scientist per lab makes more sense and feels less dumbed down...

Lunalis wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:37 am sounds like it should be just one scientist per station/lab.
shoveing 5 scientists in your spaceport feels weird from a gameplay design.

Maybe you could have both ways, if there is some sort of diminishing return from having more and more at one location. That way you could be a bit lazy but still get a fair amount of bonus, or you could optimize and get maximum potential.

My thinking is to make the stations themselves less effective if no scientist is present. You'd only get 50% of the location bonus, for example. I would also restrict scientist experience to the skill matching the location bonus of the station they're in, so the choice of where to put your scientist strongly affects what fields your empire specializes in.

Yeah this needs changing.It is very bland.They should be factored into research stations.

BTAxis wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 9:18 am My thinking is to make the stations themselves less effective if no scientist is present. You'd only get 50% of the location bonus, for example. I would also restrict scientist experience to the skill matching the location bonus of the station they're in, so the choice of where to put your scientist strongly affects what fields your empire specializes in.

I think they ditched it because AI couldn't handle it and cost too much calculating power to check that always, or maybe would have been enough, when Ai only checks it once a year ...

so for the human player, one mini game is gone

BTAxis wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:09 am That would do it, yep. The only real potential downside to that is that one of the scientists might be Demoralizing, thereby gimping all the others.

Also, if that station is attacked by the enemy they can nab all your scientists in one go, but if this happens at your capital you probably have bigger problems.

Actually I've discovered you never have to move any of them off your home planet ever. Shame so much more could be done with this...

Making scientists sit on the home planet is something like work from home. They do not get any work done. move them to research bases..

Tanaka wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:12 am Actually I've discovered you never have to move any of them off your home planet ever. Shame so much more could be done with this...

Well, you don't have to move them off your home planet. But if you don't, their bonuses don't contribute to the empire.

BTAxis wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 8:13 am

Tanaka wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:12 am Actually I've discovered you never have to move any of them off your home planet ever. Shame so much more could be done with this...

Well, you don't have to move them off your home planet. But if you don't, their bonuses don't contribute to the empire.

But they do? They show up in the reports? It seems you only need a space port above the home planet but you do not have to move them there...

Ah, that may be true. I typically don't build the research station around the homeworld, because you're not really meant to.