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Good day CSME fans

I was considering building "A Week In... " style scenario for the CSME 3.00 UPDATE.

Throw out some ideas!

How about,

The 1973 Battle around Chinese Farm and the Israeli's crossing the Suez.

Then there is the 1956(?) to capture Port Said or perhaps the British commando adventures in 1964 Yemen against the Adoo in the Radfan.

Finally the Assad Republican Armored Division in 1973 at the Golan Heights Syria.

All good candidates for some exciting action.

Great suggestions, Big Ivan

I was initially thinking the campaign that happened during the Battle of Latrun 1948

Or even the race across the Sinai in 1967, which lasted about a week.

A vote on Discord for Sinai 1967

And a Lebanon 1982 request

+1 vote for Sinai '67

a vote for Sinai '56 too

I vote for Chinese Farm and the Golan Heights again.

Sinai, who in their right mind wants to spend hours (Game turns) driving across that region to reach the enemy? If you even find them? Ohh, OK! After 35 turns, you as the Israelis actually run into some Egyptians, still 100km from the Suez Canal. Not a "What if" for me.

Discord, I don't pay much attention to that venue...time factor.

Regards gentlemen,

Big Ivan

Yes, but the point would be to script the AI to have the Egyptians be more active and aggressive and to do better than they did historically. Done right, a Week in the Sinai might be rather interesting. (Don't forget the air & naval ops.)

But yeah, there might very well be better candidates for the Week In ... treatment.

You recall that the Egyptians defended the border region of the Sinai, not the canal, fighting happened day 1.

Once Abu Ageila was captured, the whole army was ordered to withdraw back to the canal. Of course, it was over by day 3.

But... what if they didn't retreat and kept defending and reinforcing? That would make a very interesting 67 Sinai campaign.

And there were Israeli paratroop ops also. To go with the ground ops, and the air & naval ops. Yup, could be very interesting indeed.

1948 Operation Nachshon would be a perfect Week in the... scenario.

Smallish Brigade size force, lots of territory/villages to capture, attacks and counterattacks by both sides and you have the Battle of the Roads as the Jewish forces pushed convoy after convoy up the narrow road to Jerusalem.

1973 - October 6th through October 13th.

It could include the Egyptian crossing of the canal, the initial IDF piecemeal Dovecote counterattacks, the fierce IDF counterattacks on the 8th through the 10th, the back and forth battles for positioning on the 11th and 12th, and finally, the massive Egyptian armor offensive on the 14th.

Both scenarios are much easier to create now that you guys have created the A/I scripting.

I'm 250 turns in the Week in Binh Long. I've spent nearly 7 weeks playing the scenario. It's a totally different animal from anything that existed in the game prior to this release.

Kudos to your team!

Thank you for the suggestions! Great idea about Operation Nachshon!

Good idea about the initial assaults for the Suez 73, that timeline sounds good. Would it play from the Israeli or the Egyptian perspective?

I'm glad you're enjoying the Week in Binh Long! It's a monster indeed. You're creeping up to the fun parts too, how exciting!

Jason Petho

Jason Petho wrote: Wed Apr 06, 2022 8:38 pm Thank you for the suggestions! Great idea about Operation Nachshon!

Good idea about the initial assaults for the Suez 73, that timeline sounds good. Would it play from the Israeli or the Egyptian perspective?

I'm glad you're enjoying the Week in Binh Long! It's a monster indeed. You're creeping up to the fun parts too, how exciting!

Jason Petho

Which side to play? That's a good question.

Egypt would be interesting as the first part of the scenario would focus on the Canal crossing and taking some of the Bar Lev fortifications. Additionally, you could create objective points 1 or 2 km just to the east of the canal where Egyptian AT forces would have to dig in to meet the expected IDF counterattack. Unfortunately, from there, Egypt just kind of sits and waits for the IDF attacks for the next few days. Of course, there were be some attempts to move toward the Israeli second line of forts, but overall, Egypt was fairly static until October 13th and 14th when they pressed home their massive armored offensive.

IDF would probably be a better choice. You'd probably have to start the scenario with the Egyptian Infantry dug in on the east side of the canal awaiting the IDF day 1 piecemeal attacks. There was a lot of action by battalion-sized IDF units from October 6th through October 11th. As you know, IDF tank platoons and even company-sized forces occasionally fought their way to the canal but had to pull back in the face of whithering Egyptian anti-tank fire.

One last thought. It would probably be tough to build an interesting rendition of the six-day war. As you mentioned earlier in the thread, most of the hard fighting on the Sinai front-ended after 1.5 days. It wouldn't be that much fun pushing IDF units across the Sinai in an effort to cut off and destroy retreating Egyptian armor.

It might be interesting to build a "week in scenario based on the Jordanian Front. The Harel Brigade in the Hills, the 55th Para's in Jerusalem, and the fighting around Jenin and Tubas.

It's going to be interesting to see which action(s) you choose to model.

Excellent thoughts and suggestions.

You're right about the 67 campaign, hence the suggestion of not having the Egyptians forced to retreat and actually be more interesting of a fight, although - that would be quite ahistorcal. So, there's that.

Also a good point about the 73 fighting on Suez. Probably the Israeli would be the logical side to play from, as it would have the most interesting challenges.

The key about developing one of these scenarios for Middle East is that it will allow me to test the capabilities of the concept and how it deals with more conventional fighting that will be very typical for East Front III.

The Jordanian Front, good thinking!

- Lebanese Civil War w/all factions
- Smaller Israeli vs. PLO operations (hold victory points, hunt down weapons caches, etc.)
- Egypt vs. Libya expanded

The old Middle East '67 Tiller game has several scenarios, real and hypothetical that might be worth looking given the flexibility Vietnam seems to provide with mission scope and size.

Cheers.

More great ideas, thank you!

Any chance you could summarize the 67 variations? I don't own the games.