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Same admin failures, drastic difference in supplies
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:53 pm
by Stamb
Can someone explain how it is possible that with a same admin failures one units gets all supplies he needs, while another one gets 0.
They are in the same hex, with more than enough supply there. Also they belong to a same HQ.
Re: Same admin failures, drastic difference in supplies
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:59 pm
by Joel Billings
My understanding is when you hit your 4th admin failure, you can no longer make checks. So the first unit may have missed its first 4 checks, and and was totally shut out from getting anything. The other unit may have received a lot in various phases before getting it's 4th failure. It was short of a lot of stuff, so it had many phases to attempt to get something, before it hit it's 4th admin failure.
Re: Same admin failures, drastic difference in supplies
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 5:45 am
by HOTEC
As a layman, they should share the supply when they are within 10 miles.
Re: Same admin failures, drastic difference in supplies
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:25 am
by Stamb
actually it would be a cool interaction if units in the same hex, cuz 1 hex is 10 miles, can share their supplies/ammo/fuel if there is huge difference between them
like in supplies in my example
Re: Same admin failures, drastic difference in supplies
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 6:50 am
by DarkHorse2
Joel Billings wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:59 pm
My understanding is when you hit your 4th admin failure, you can no longer make checks. So the first unit may have missed its first 4 checks, and and was totally shut out from getting anything. The other unit may have received a lot in various phases before getting it's 4th failure. It was short of a lot of stuff, so it had many phases to attempt to get something, before it hit it's 4th admin failure.
Omg Joel!
How do you know this?
I want access to the code for a day. Just one day.
Re: Same admin failures, drastic difference in supplies
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 6:19 pm
by Joel Billings
Wasn't the 4 admin failures max documented? IIRC this has been around since WitW.
Re: Same admin failures, drastic difference in supplies
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 7:04 pm
by Zovs
I don't see the max listed in the living document, I just glanced over 15.5 and also did a search on admin and did not see a max. But I may have missed it.
Re: Same admin failures, drastic difference in supplies
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 7:26 pm
by Stamb
25.1.3. Leader and Support Checks
Each phase sub-segment where a unit is eligible to attempt to draw freight to meet
an item need, the unit must pass both an administrative leader roll and a support
check. If the unit fails either, then this is counted as an Admin Failure (listed on the
unit supply detail screen (35.2.2) and the unit will not receive anything in this sub-
segment.
2501
In this case, the unit has passed its leadership checks but faces shortages as it is
drawing supply from a depot (Klintsy) that itself has limited freight. This situation is
not unusual for the Axis player by late summer 1941.
If it passes the checks, then it is free to receive all of the items that it qualifies for in
the current sub-segment. Once the unit has accumulated four administrative failures,
no further attempts at replenishment will be made.
Note that the more Combat Preparation Points in the unit (23.2), the greater the
chance of passing leader administrative checks
Re: Same admin failures, drastic difference in supplies
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:21 am
by DarkHorse2
Stamb wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 7:26 pm
25.1.3. Leader and Support Checks
Each phase sub-segment where a unit is eligible to attempt to draw freight to meet
an item need, the unit must pass both an administrative leader roll and a support
check. If the unit fails either, then this is counted as an Admin Failure (listed on the
unit supply detail screen (35.2.2) and the unit will not receive anything in this sub-
segment.
2501
In this case, the unit has passed its leadership checks but faces shortages as it is
drawing supply from a depot (Klintsy) that itself has limited freight. This situation is
not unusual for the Axis player by late summer 1941.
If it passes the checks, then it is free to receive all of the items that it qualifies for in
the current sub-segment. Once the unit has accumulated four administrative failures,
no further attempts at replenishment will be made.
Note that the more Combat Preparation Points in the unit (23.2), the greater the
chance of passing leader administrative checks
OMG, there is a 'four' in there!
I couldn't see it and was blinded by the text wall.
Literally had to use control-F to find it.
This is buried in the living document I gather?
Nothing like two disjoint user's manuals to cover a game.
Re: Same admin failures, drastic difference in supplies
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2022 2:01 am
by Zovs
Don’t feel bad I missed it as well and I have been playing WITE2 for 5 years lol.
Re: Same admin failures, drastic difference in supplies
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2022 8:14 am
by Stamb
DarkHorse2
There is no reason to read original manual, except of a pictures. I really miss them in a living manual.