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Luxemburg and Belgium

Posted: Sun May 01, 2022 3:35 pm
by generalfdog
A while back it was changed so if Luxemburg is attacked Belgium joins the allies which was a good change, but apparently if the allies align Luxemburg Belgium also joins which i found to be quit annoying, maybe even game ending in a recent game!

Re: Luxemburg and Belgium

Posted: Sun May 01, 2022 4:19 pm
by redrum68
The bigger issue is the Allies can DoW on Luxemburg and capture it to slow the German advance into France in 1940.

Re: Luxemburg and Belgium

Posted: Sun May 01, 2022 4:21 pm
by ncc1701e
redrum68 wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 4:19 pm The bigger issue is the Allies can DoW on Luxemburg and capture it to slow the German advance into France in 1940.
If so, German can invade Netherlands without a reaction from Belgium.

Re: Luxemburg and Belgium

Posted: Sun May 01, 2022 6:03 pm
by stjeand
Taking the Netherlands without Belgium is hardly a bonus.
The loss of Lux means the Germans have to go over the rivers to the North or the East which means heavier losses.

Re: Luxemburg and Belgium

Posted: Sun May 01, 2022 6:30 pm
by ncc1701e
Doing Netherlands in one turn in April. Resting and regaining effectiveness for May. This is not too bad too.

Re: Luxemburg and Belgium

Posted: Sun May 01, 2022 6:57 pm
by Nirosi
ncc1701e wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 6:30 pm Doing Netherlands in one turn in April. Resting and regaining effectiveness for May. This is not too bad too.
Yes that would be nice, but it works only if the Allies take it early. However what happens is that the allies take Luxembourg in the last turn of April, knowing well that May 10th is usually the first turn of the BoF. So either the Germans still try to keep to the main schedule and try to take Belgium that same turn but with a French or British unit in Luxemburg (very good defense), or they do take the advantage that they can now declare war on the Netherland alone, but they lose a whole turn in their schedule.

So there is no reason really for the Allies not to take the Netherland late April. Only good things for them...

The whole rule exists because Germany use to take it in 1939, so this was fixed. But now in fixing that, the result is inverted and is actually worse for play balance I would say.

Re: Luxemburg and Belgium

Posted: Sun May 01, 2022 7:23 pm
by stjeand
There is a simple fix...just make which ever side takes Luxemburg, Belgium joins the other side.

May not be "historic" but neither is an overly aggressive Allied player.

Re: Luxemburg and Belgium

Posted: Mon May 02, 2022 12:02 am
by Nirosi
stjeand wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 7:23 pm There is a simple fix...just make which ever side takes Luxemburg, Belgium joins the other side.

May not be "historic" but neither is an overly aggressive Allied player.
Would not be historic per se but the result on the game will since then nobody would dare do it...

Re: Luxemburg and Belgium

Posted: Mon May 02, 2022 10:05 am
by CHINCHIN
stjeand wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 7:23 pm There is a simple fix...just make which ever side takes Luxemburg, Belgium joins the other side.

May not be "historic" but neither is an overly aggressive Allied player.
In the next version of my mod I had this in mind, or annex Luxembourg to Belgium as a single country.

Re: Luxemburg and Belgium

Posted: Mon May 02, 2022 2:22 pm
by redrum68
stjeand wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 7:23 pm There is a simple fix...just make which ever side takes Luxemburg, Belgium joins the other side.

May not be "historic" but neither is an overly aggressive Allied player.
+1, I think this is what I suggested in another thread a while back