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In my current game I'm locked at the first level of armour.. this is in a very slow research game so it has taken me a bit of time trying to find if there is any other tech necessary to unlock it.

I have tried to salvage and retire allot of ships as well as captured ships. It is not possible to either steal or trade for the technology I need either.

Anyone that know if such a basic technology can be completely cut of from you... I have invested quite a bit of time into this game and it is a pretty interesting universe so I would like to continue, but if I'm locked at first level armour I'm not sure it is worth continuing... perhaps I can't use the hidden path in the future so at least I can guarantee that when I start I will not do so in vain and only find out after playing for ten hours?!?

This happens if you choose random research paths at the start of the Game. Its supposed to work different but how it actually works is, its makes the research paths truly random but not only for you but for everyone in same way in a given game.

That means if the random paths cut you off from, like here, next level of armor its not only for you but for everyone in the game. Means no one can research next level of armor and so you also cannot trade it or steal as no one has it and will ever have.

There is a tiny chance you can get a different armor type by retiring rebuild derelict ships, but that is of course very random and no one can garantee it.

Happened to me twice, one time like you with standart armor only, second time it was the cloning facility for Troops that was missing and like armor it was for everyone. later i got tier 3 armor from a dereclic ship but it was than nly the standard and the tier 3 armor.

At best dont use random research paths till it works.

If another empire has it, sometimes you can trade for it....GP

Schatten wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:19 pm This happens if you choose random research paths at the start of the Game. Its supposed to work different but how it actually works is, its makes the research paths truly random but not only for you but for everyone in same way in a given game.

Not sure that this is true... I fairly sure I have seen other empires using more advanced armour on their ships. I still can't trade for it though. Pirates I definitely can't steal it from and they definitely use more advanced armour than me.

And obviously I understand this has to do with choosing random tech tree.

btd64 wrote: Sat Jun 25, 2022 12:10 am If another empire has it, sometimes you can trade for it....GP

As said, based at 3 games so far where this has happen, if its locked for you its also locked for all other factions including Pirates. You cant trade or steal what they also dont have.
The only way to get than anything is from repairing, claiming and deconstructing all those abandonend derelic ships that float in space since the shakturi battles.

As said for me happened 3 Times. 1x Basic Armor stuck and got later tier 3 armor (and only this, it didnt open a research path up) from such derelic ship and in recent game there no cloning facilities (since its lv 1 Tech anyone should have it alredy if other factions would get it but no one has it) and with the light carrier...no research path after this showed up...again for all factions.
However got the megacarrier Tech (like 2 Tiers above the light carrier?) again from deconstructing a derelic carrier.

So as said, if you choose this random tech paths and it excludes you from any tech it excludes as well all other Empires and Pirats in your Game. Another Bug.

@ Jorgen either they use repaired derelic ships if they have better armour or they self deconstructed a derelic ship and got a better one like me...however not sure if AI ever deconstruct ships.

In my current game and I just checked the other empires ARE using advanced armours including the pirates so they DO have those technologies. But I can't trade or steal it. I'm 100% sure they have the technology but I'm just not allowed to either steal it or trade it because I don't know about it.

I'm also 99.9% sure that when you play with random trees it is differently random for everyone... to be honest anything else would not make any sense what so ever.

So... I'm sure that you are not completely wrong... you just can't steal or trade for a technology that you don't know about. My only solution would likely be to continue to capture and retire ships that has higher technology armour and I might get lucky and get the technology.

I hope they will change how this works so at least you are guaranteed to get basic technologies and not become locked out of something as essential as basic armour at first level.

Well even if its true and as said it dont match what i saw, if i was locked out of the technology so was every one else, but as said even if its like you said and the other Empires get it, you still cannot Trade or steal it unlike it was said.

So basically still not working and better deactivate