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Wild wrote: Sun Jul 10, 2022 3:53 am I lower the ToE of the all the AA companies to 50 and put them in the reserve until i have enough AP to disband them all.

DarkHorse2 wrote: Sun Jul 10, 2022 1:07 am About 2 thirds of German AA Company TOE's still missing support elements.

This is important, because they never get any support elements allocated from their parent unit.

I don't know what makes them special, but other units from other TOEs can run a deficit in required support elements, but then make it up with their parent organization passing on some of theirs.

So, these companies that run 5/8 support are put at a disadvantage on a lot of rolls.

So much so, I would rather just disband them en masse than use as is. However, at the rather steep cost of 1 AP per disbanded company, I can't do that either.

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Denniss wrote: Sun Jul 10, 2022 6:29 pm Our programmer(s) are no magician(s).
AFAIR it's on the buglist but due to limited effect it'll not be at the highest priority.
It will be looked at eventually, I would also like to know what actually triggers that misbehaviour unless it's missing support in the HQ chain above them.

DarkHorse2 wrote: Mon Jul 11, 2022 2:11 am

Denniss wrote: Sun Jul 10, 2022 6:29 pm Our programmer(s) are no magician(s).
AFAIR it's on the buglist but due to limited effect it'll not be at the highest priority.
It will be looked at eventually, I would also like to know what actually triggers that misbehaviour unless it's missing support in the HQ chain above them.

Denniss,

I was not aware it was even acknowledged as a bug or on any bug list.

Last feedback I got, was pretty much not understanding the issue.

Of course, I was at a loss of how else to explain it.

Just the fact it has made it to a bug list makes me happy.

But thank you for the update.

Yes, it looks like these Mot AA units are not getting help, while the SP ones are getting help. i think I see cases where the higher HQs have support to help out but aren't giving it to these units. I can't explain it, so I'll bug it. Thanks.

DarkHorse2 wrote: Mon Jul 11, 2022 3:38 am Denniss,

I had to think about this some, but in general, you guys only rarely acknowledge bugs. So how would we even know it is on a bug list?

1. AC Range Circle bug - nope, that was a complete pain to submit. I believe I had to copy and paste something from the users manual and do a side-by-side comparison between screen-capture of in-game range circles.

I did a quick search for Range Circle and there's nothing on our list for this. I remember that we gave out info about how the circles are different for fighters versus bombers, and that the circles were different depending on whether you click on an airbase on the map or view them via the AOGs. I know it's confusing. Not sure if there was a consensus on what would be better. Was there something else here?

2. Vienna Soviet Unit Teleport bug - you guys acknowledged that one pretty fast, but that was irrefutable.

A Vienna warping bug was fixed 7 months ago in 1.02.12.

3. Ju52 data - you adamantly denied an issue here. Then suddenly, it was later (at least partially) addressed.

There's an issue given the way the air transport system works, that we don't allow transports to carry cargo to an airbase, gas up and fly home. There's also an issue with the system that we don't generally allow you to carry less cargo in order to increase your range. Given these limitations, we've done the best we can without a code change. The one code change we have on the list to make is to allow transports flying transport missions to non-isolated/beachhead supply to fly 45% of total range (instead of 33%). Justification is: Isolated hex = flying over enemy terrain = higher speed required = less range = normal reductions should apply.

4. missing German Torpedo Bombers - you guys acknowledged.

I assume this is something Dennis can address.

5. Bf 109F-4 game data - didn't acknowledge. but ultimately added some in after I had to submit references to show where they actually started with some of the German Luftwaffe units in June 1941.

Again, I have total confidence in Dennis and how he handles the air data. He has to live within the confines of the code systems in place, so he's always dealing with tradeoffs. I think he's done a great job. If you provide the background references, he will do what he can within the limits of the game/code.

6. JU88A-4 load-outs - didn't acknowledge at all. I was surprised to see it included in most recent beta. (first reported back in Feb 2022)

BTW, Dennis not only works on the air data, he updates factories and the map data. He also is now helping to keep Trey's original scenarios up to date with all the changes. A key member of the team. As you can see by his posts, he reads the forum, and you can be sure he's trying to account for feedback that people provide. In the ideal world we would all get back to everyone, but we all have limited time.

7. JU88A-4 game data (production dates, etc...) - did not acknowledge, have no idea if that is going to get looked at. You guys won't even disclose what the JU88A really is.. ( A1? A5? ) <insert sound of crickets chirping here>

Probably because it's an amalgamation/simplification of something more complicated than it's worth (or the engine) is able to deal with. One advantage Dennis gets from having volunteered so much of his time and knowledge over the years is the ability to decide how best to deal with the tradeoffs. It's the same re Jim with the weapons, and Trey with the OBs. They make these decisions all the time. They often seek out help with solutions with each other in areas where the issues overlap. Things that look at the surface as simple choices that should be made based on clear historical backup data, can actually be much more complicated and cause non-historical side effects that are worse than the original not strictly historical choice.

8. CR Equipment filter bug - you did acknowledge ( ) I guess it is on a bug list. ?

Yes, on the list. Since this is for Pavel, and Pavel is backed up, and this is an informational problem only, it's not a high priority.

9. CR Sorting bug ( I believe I even provided the reference to the algorithm to fix this ).

Same as #8.

and this is just on the new forum ....

Joel has been nice and helpful, when he has had time. But otherwise, I don't know if players get feedback if anything is added to a buglist? I know I don't.

Joel Billings wrote: Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:20 pm ...
Combat range is 4/3 time escort range. Yes, ideally we'd show both, but for now you have to toggle the mission setting of the unit to have it switch between escort and combat range.
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