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BillRunacre wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 9:43 am The #COUNTRY_ID= needs to belong to a country on the opposite side to the UK.

Keeping the flag as the UK's means that it will appear as a UK event in game, even if it is really (say) a German event in the script.

BillRunacre wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 9:50 am A UK script cannot be used to harm the UK, which is why the #COUNTRY_ID= needs to belong to an enemy country.

No one will notice in game, just set #COUNTRY_ID= 45 and it should work.

Lothos wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 9:55 am Would it harm doing this?

Lothos wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 9:55 am On another note I discovered (resource.txt) that if it of Type 2 and it successfully executes every turn that it will keep resetting the resource to 0 even though the event had fired successfully the previous turn(s)

BillRunacre wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:35 am

Lothos wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 9:55 am Would it harm doing this?

Not at all, we use this from time to time in the games already. It's always been this way, and we added the #FLAG_ID= line some years ago just for situations like this.

Lothos wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 9:55 am On another note I discovered (resource.txt) that if it of Type 2 and it successfully executes every turn that it will keep resetting the resource to 0 even though the event had fired successfully the previous turn(s)

Yes, resource scripts will need to be type=1 as their only use is to get a resource to start producing at the required time.

Lothos wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:46 am

BillRunacre wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:35 am

Lothos wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 9:55 am Would it harm doing this?

Not at all, we use this from time to time in the games already. It's always been this way, and we added the #FLAG_ID= line some years ago just for situations like this.

Lothos wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 9:55 am On another note I discovered (resource.txt) that if it of Type 2 and it successfully executes every turn that it will keep resetting the resource to 0 even though the event had fired successfully the previous turn(s)

Yes, resource scripts will need to be type=1 as their only use is to get a resource to start producing at the required time.

If you can support a Type 2 it would be helpful for an event to shut (or turn on) a resource

Example that I am trying to do
- Oil Resource in Burma (use supply.txt to suppress it)
- Oil Resource in China, along Burma Road (use resource.txt to suppress it or turn it on)
- Decision - Check alignment of all hexes on the Burma road from the two resources if they are all Allied control then the resource in Burma would be suppressed but the resource in China will get turned on

Would you consider adding this functionality? It would not only be a good feature to have (that works within the game engine mechanics) but also then allied Axis Japan to bomb the resource and harass it.

Ofcours for this to work I would need the following
- Type 2 support for resource.txt
- supply.txt to be able to execute for the country that owns the hex. Right now it only fires when the hex is occupied and the owner is COUNTRY_ID (Maybe add a new parameter?) Their is ALIGNMENT_ID but it requires a SOURCE_POSITION which means their has to be a unit in the hex (or something to that effect). Maybe remove that requirement and as long as the owner alignment = ALIGNMENT_ID then execute the event

BillRunacre wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 12:24 pm

Lothos wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:46 am

BillRunacre wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:35 am

Not at all, we use this from time to time in the games already. It's always been this way, and we added the #FLAG_ID= line some years ago just for situations like this.



Yes, resource scripts will need to be type=1 as their only use is to get a resource to start producing at the required time.

If you can support a Type 2 it would be helpful for an event to shut (or turn on) a resource

Example that I am trying to do
- Oil Resource in Burma (use supply.txt to suppress it)
- Oil Resource in China, along Burma Road (use resource.txt to suppress it or turn it on)
- Decision - Check alignment of all hexes on the Burma road from the two resources if they are all Allied control then the resource in Burma would be suppressed but the resource in China will get turned on

Would you consider adding this functionality? It would not only be a good feature to have (that works within the game engine mechanics) but also then allied Axis Japan to bomb the resource and harass it.

Ofcours for this to work I would need the following
- Type 2 support for resource.txt
- supply.txt to be able to execute for the country that owns the hex. Right now it only fires when the hex is occupied and the owner is COUNTRY_ID (Maybe add a new parameter?) Their is ALIGNMENT_ID but it requires a SOURCE_POSITION which means their has to be a unit in the hex (or something to that effect). Maybe remove that requirement and as long as the owner alignment = ALIGNMENT_ID then execute the event

Supply scripts can already be used to turn one of these routes off, and set to not fire on the other, thus allowing what you're aiming for here I think?

On the issue of changing the supply script functionality with regards to #COUNTRY_ID=, I''m very reluctant to change that as it could easily have unintended consequences, e.g. we like to keep things consistent across all our games and it would be quite a bit of work to check them all and amend the scripts as required, particularly as I don't see that such a change is needed as setting it to simply belong to the enemy works.

Unless I'm completely missing something here?

Hubert Cater wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 4:22 pm Hi Lothos,

We'd have to have a rethink on how and what we use the script types for, and while some changes are easy to make, others may be more involved and typically won't be changed unless we need it as a change for our end as well. Not always this way when it comes to script changes, but that's just how things usually unfold.

It's probably not the answer you are looking for exactly, but usually we can find workarounds to give us what we need, e.g. tie in DECISION events with the script types as needed as Bill has suggested.

Hopefully you'll be able to find a solution in there somewhere to get you what you are after, and if not, let us know and maybe we can at least help get you as close as possible.

Hubert

Hubert Cater wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 3:27 pm Hi Lothos,

Our pleasure and I chatted a bit more with Bill and we are with the understanding that what you are after *should* be possible with the right combination of DECISION or SUPPLY scripts, the latter possible coupled with a RESOURCE script or two.

Using what we've done in our campaigns as a guide, for similar needs, should help, I think?

Hubert

Hubert Cater wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 3:27 pm Hi Lothos,

Our pleasure and I chatted a bit more with Bill and we are with the understanding that what you are after *should* be possible with the right combination of DECISION or SUPPLY scripts, the latter possible coupled with a RESOURCE script or two.

Using what we've done in our campaigns as a guide, for similar needs, should help, I think?

Hubert

{ 
#NAME= China - Burma Road - Conquered
#POPUP= 
#IMAGE=
#SOUND=
#FLAG= 1
#TYPE= 2
#AI= 0
#LEVEL= 0
#GV= 1[1,100]
#LINK= 0[0]
#COUNTRY_ID= 23
#ALIGNMENT_ID= 0
#FLAG_ID= 23
#TRIGGER= 100
#SEASON_FLAG= 0
#DATE= 1939/09/01
#SOURCE_POSITION= 
#DESTINATION_RESOURCE= 323,134 [10,10]
#VARIABLE_CONDITION= 5 [0] [0] [0]
}

Hubert Cater wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:53 pm Hi Lothos

Bill has run a test and it looks like a SUPPLY script belonging to a surrendered China will fire, but not if China is neutral.

Hope this helps,
Hubert