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With new patch - planes now fly in all weather it seems. Do they have reduced effectiveness? This seems like a major change so trying to figure out impact and how it will change strategies going forward.

"Air units can now recon and attack in bad weather, all attacks in bad weather will be at 50% effectiveness."

...except that the patch thread revealed that de-entrenchment and de-moralization are NOT affected at all. Not sure about raiding or resource bombing.

ThunderLizard11 wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 1:38 pm With new patch - planes now fly in all weather it seems. Do they have reduced effectiveness? This seems like a major change so trying to figure out impact and how it will change strategies going forward.

Good luck as late game Axis. Late 44 I was hoping for bad weather to stop the Allies at the Westwall with very little Luftwaffe left and then got pounded because the forts are useless when I get hit by 10 different planes that are still always able to shatter 1-2 units. Coupled with Allied ground troops, defense seems hopeless. On the flipside Malta seems way easier now.

It sounds like late game planes need a modest nerf.

I'm also concerned that no bad weather will speed up the attack in the west, barb, and china could die faster. But people will test it out first

I don't mind the 50% penalty on bad weather (well actually I didn't advocate this either)..but the fact that detrenching and demoralizing effects happen with these reduced capabilities seems off.

Most likely the impact benefits the Axis more than the Allies as it should make it easier for them to make more gains the first few years. I think it is a good change as a few bad weather turns could have a pretty major impact on the game.

I agree that the tides of war are stronger
Harder for Allies to get to 1943
Harder for Axis from 1943 onwards

...except that the patch thread revealed that de-entrenchment and de-moralization are NOT affected at all.

Careful what we wish for...

This does feel a little too good. From zero affect to full effect in bad weather on de-entrenchment. Would it be possible to stop de-entrenchment & demoralisation in poor weather as a future change please?

Chernobyl wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 10:28 pm It sounds like late game planes need a modest nerf.

I'm also concerned that no bad weather will speed up the attack in the west, barb, and china could die faster. But people will test it out first

I'm actually pleased with this change as it was unrealistic that no air missions were capable in bad weather. Frustrating example was having the majority of the Russian front socked in almost every turn from August 41 to Feb 42 for the Axis, but my Allied opponent had clear weather most turns, or when you get those alternating weather turns in the Pacific that favor your opponent for a series of turns in a row; that can seriously impact the game as a whole.

I would like to see a feature where you can click on a button like supply and see the weather prediction for your next turn. Currently, you are blind to what will happen in your next turn and cannot make plans. They did have weather forecasts in WW2, even if they were limited.

havoc1371 wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 2:52 pm I'm actually pleased with this change as it was unrealistic that no air missions were capable in bad weather. Frustrating example was having the majority of the Russian front socked in almost every turn from August 41 to Feb 42 for the Axis, but my Allied opponent had clear weather most turns, or when you get those alternating weather turns in the Pacific that favor your opponent for a series of turns in a row; that can seriously impact the game as a whole.
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IIrc that was the reason for the change in the first place, as the weather could basically decide carrier battles no matter what the players did. The infamous "good weather in France, bad weather in England, so bye bye D-Day forces" problem and its pendants in other theatres also come to mind.
There should be a rather lengthy discussion thread on the topic somewhere, but I can't seem to find it at the moment.

Not sure if that could be done, but I would think something like this:

• range (attack/intercept/escort) is limited by the weather where stationed

• effectivness is limited by the weather at the point of engagement, as is spotting range