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Living Manual (1.16 - patch 01.02.41) p.406 wrote: The combat value of each defending unit is modified by multiplying the CV by one plus the total fortification defense modifier. [...] Each fort level gives a +1 Defense Modifier.

Fort 1: 10defCV * 2 = 20moddefCV
Fort 2: 10defCV * 3 = 30moddefCV
Fort 3: 10defCV * 4 = 40moddefCV

WITE2 Game Manual p.274 wrote:

Source: WITE2 Game Manual p.274

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Notes
(1) In dense terrain, the CV of infantry type ground elements is
doubled and the CV of AFV and combat vehicle type ground
elements are halved (23.8.3).
(2) In double dense terrain the CV of infantry type ground
elements is quadrupled (x4) and the CV of AFV and combat
vehicle type ground elements is quartered (x1/4).
(3) Mountain and type 0 non-motorized combat units are more
effective during battles that take place in a mountain hex
both defending and attacking such hexes.

• Clear [7,5] [4,5]
• Light Woods [7,5*2=15] [4,5*2=9]
• Heavy Woods [7,5*3*2=45] [4,5*3/2=6,75]
• Rough [7,5*4*2=60] [4,5*4/2=9]

• City [7,5*3=22,5 {45}] [4,5*3=13,5 {6,75}]
• Urban [7,5*7*4=210 {120}] [4,5*7/4=7,875 {4,48}]
• Heavy Urban [7,5*9*4=270{150}] [4,5*9/4=10,125 {5,6}]

• City.
  • The ID should have [7,5*3=22,5]defCV in a City Hex, since there is nothing else stated in the Manual than "+2 Defense Modifier" (which means *3) but actually it has 45defCV (see previous Screenshot).
    How to get to that 45defCV?
    7,5*3*2=45
    OR
    7,5*6=45
    Which means that there is a missing "Dense (1)" in the Manual OR the Defense Multiplier is wrong and should rather be +5 (so *6).
    But hey, we still have the PzD with 100 AFV to look at!
  • The PzD should have [4,5*3=13,5]defCV in a City Hex, but actually it has 6,75defCV.
    The Relation here seems more obvious [4,5*3/2=6,75].
  • So I assume there is a "Dense (1)" missing in the line for City Terrain Modifiers.
• Urban:
  • The ID should have [7,5*7*4=210]defCV in a Urban Hex, since there is a "+6 Defense Modifier" (*7) and a "Dense 2" (*4 for Infantry) stated.
    Testing resulted in 120defCV, how to get that? Well, let's assume the "Dense 2" note is correct and it's multipliers are *4 (for inf) and /4 (for AFVs). If we do this, we get to the 120defCV as follows:
    7,5*4*4=120
  • Using the same assumptions for the PzD which by testing had 4,48defCV we get
    4,5*4/4=4,5
  • So I assume the stated "+6 Defense Modifier" in the Game Manual actually should be a "+3 Defense Modifier" for Urban Terrain.
• Heavy Urban:
  • The ID should have [7,5*9*4=270] but by testing it actually has 150defCV. Let's keep the same assumtions used in Urban and we get
    7,5*5*4=150
  • For our PzD which should have [4,5*9/4=10,125] we get the tested 5,60defCV by
    4,5*5/4=5,625
  • So I assume the stated "+8 Defense Modifier" in the Game Manual actually shoul be a "+4 Modifier" (so *5).

• City terrain is missing a "Dense (1)" in the remarks column.
• Urban terrain has a "+3 Defense Modifier" (*4)
• Heavy Urban terrain has a "+4 Defense Modifier" (*5)

MarkShot wrote: Fri Oct 21, 2022 4:30 am Well done!

It is very challenging task to validate software as you have attempted. Normally, as developers we build logging/debugging tools into the design along with a testing harness and suites (super useful for each new release to perform regression testing).

I am impressed, since yesterday, I was studying battles reports and this stuff just shows up as HQ(X%) ... so I was reading CV battle modifiers.

• I am still learning the game, so take this with a grain of salt!
• I do not (yet) care about the Combat Sequence in detail and so this table is more of an "view from above"/overview
  • As an example: Terrain is only influencing the Defender (from my view) but in detail it is also influencing the attacker, since it affects the initial combat range...and so on.

• General:
  • Here the marked modifiers are not included in the CV predictor (Attack Tooltip).

    WITE2 Game Manual p.278f wrote: 23.8.3.
    The CV predictor that is available as a hex pop up
    (6.8.2) when the normal or hasty attack symbol appears
    on the map (indicating an attack can be conducted in
    the hex) provides the adjusted CV values of the units
    that accounts for factors such as terrain, forts, dense
    modifiers, weather, fuel and ammunition shortages.
    It is not adjusted for the factors in sections
    23.8.4 to 23.8.7.

• River-crossing:
  • What's also not included: River-crossing debuff.

    WITE2 Game Manual p.278 wrote: 23.8.2.
    Note that the displayed CV’s in the combat resolution predictor
    window will reflect disruption caused by any cross river
    attack (23.8.9).

  • WITE2 Game Manual p.274 & 281 wrote: 23.6.
    Support units committed to support a cross river attack
    will be subject to additional disruption (23.8.9).
    ___________________
    23.8.9. [...] All ground elements that
    cross the river to attack are subject to a disruption check
    prior to the initial computation of combat value.

    It's not stated which Leader skill is used to check, anyone knows? (Initiative? Infantry/Mechanized? ...next quote leads towards Infantry/Mechanized)

  • WITE2 Game Manual p.281 wrote: 23.8.9.
    Ground elements with longer range indirect fire devices
    will normally not check for disruption while infantry and
    combat engineers most likely will check.
    Infantry type ground elements will tend to suffer
    approximately the same amount of disruption for both
    minor and major rivers, but AFV and combat vehicle
    ground elements will suffer more disruption in crossing a
    major river than a minor river. [...]

    I am guessing this is related to the MP penalty for River crossings on different ice levels.

    

    River Crossing MP Modifiers (Editor)

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  • WITE2 Game Manual p.281 wrote: 23.8.9.
    [...]
    Since disrupted combat units do not contribute to
    overall CV, players can anticipate a reduction in overall CV
    of up to half for minor rivers and up to two-thirds for major
    rivers prior to any other modifications.

    If every ground element is checked for disruption (by the leader?!), isn't it more related to the leader skills how many ground elements will participate in the cross river attack?! So a Leader with a 3 checked leader skill would commit vastly less ground elements to a battle than a 9 skill leader would do?
• Ground Weather/Roads:

  • 

    Interaction between Ground Weather and Roads.

    GroundWeather_Roads_Attacker.png (95.6 KiB) Viewed 1234 times

    This can also be found in the Game Manual screen/table (38.5.4.).

  • WITE2 Game Manual p.143 & 280 wrote: 8.5.
    Ground operations are only affected by the ground
    weather in a particular hex.
    
    .
    .
    .
    
    23.8.4.
    The worse the weather, the more likely it is that some combat
    elements will not be available during the actual combat. This
    is particularly likely in blizzard and heavy rain turns.
    In effect, if attacking under these conditions it is
    worthwhile to try to have higher notional odds before
    committing your forces as a number of elements will not
    be available during the actual battle.

    Which one is correct? If it's the 2nd what are the numbers/multipliers?

Wiedrock wrote: Sun Oct 23, 2022 9:03 pm
If every ground element is checked for disruption (by the leader?!), isn't it more related to the leader skills how many ground elements will participate in the cross river attack?! So a Leader with a 3 checked leader skill would commit vastly less ground elements to a battle than a 9 skill leader would do?[/list]