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5.0.0.10 (Debug). Germany Can't Get Petsamo RP to Factory.
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:17 pm
by rkr1958
1. MWIF Version 5.0.0.10 (Debug).
2. Current Turn. (3) Jan/Feb 1940, preliminary production.
3. Last Turn. (2) Nov/Dec 1939. USSR demanded Finnish borderlands, claim denied & Germany enforced peace during the peace step.
4. Current Turn, Finland neutral & remains unaligned to Germany.
5. Germany & USSR are NOT at war. USSR is neutral.
6. Unable to get Finnish RP at Petsamo to a German controlled factory.
Is this a bug?
Game file (also) attached.
Re: 5.0.0.10 (Debug). Germany Can't Get Petsamo RP to Factory.
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:23 pm
by Joseignacio
You do have a fourth CONV, don't you?
Re: 5.0.0.10 (Debug). Germany Can't Get Petsamo RP to Factory.
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:24 pm
by rkr1958
Joseignacio wrote: Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:23 pm
You do have a fourth CONV, don't you?
Yes, I do. However, all Finnish controlled ports are iced in due to snow. Shouldn't they still be able to ship the RP through neutral Sweden?
Also, since Germany and the USSR are neutral, couldn't the RP just as well travel overland from Finland, through the USSR and then to Germany?
Re: 5.0.0.10 (Debug). Germany Can't Get Petsamo RP to Factory.
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 11:31 pm
by Courtenay
In WiF, a neutral major power is given the option of letting other major powers transport resources and build points through their country. MWiF deviates from this rule, and does not give the player the option to pick; instead, no powers on the other side may transport resources through their country (excepting mandatory trade agreements) and all powers on their side may.
Since this is way players always decide in WiF, this is a good deviation, speeding the game.
The special rule about transporting through Narvik only applies to the three Swedish resources, not the Finnish one, so the resource can't go through Narvik.
However, because that rule does not apply to the Petsamo resource, I don't see what is stopping the Finns from railing the resource to Stockholm, and then using the Baltic convoys to get it to Germany. (They can't rail it straight to Germany because of the two strait rule.)
So, given four German CPs in the Baltic, this looks to me like a bug.
Re: 5.0.0.10 (Debug). Germany Can't Get Petsamo RP to Factory.
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 4:04 am
by BrianJH
rkr1958 wrote: Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:17 pm
4. Current Turn, Finland neutral & remains
unaligned to Germany.
Wouldn't Germany need to Align Finland first to get access to Finland's resources?
Re: 5.0.0.10 (Debug). Germany Can't Get Petsamo RP to Factory.
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 6:39 am
by Courtenay
BrianJH wrote: Mon Dec 05, 2022 4:04 am
rkr1958 wrote: Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:17 pm
4. Current Turn, Finland neutral & remains
unaligned to Germany.
Wouldn't Germany need to Align Finland first to get access to Finland's resources?
Oops. Yes. I missed that part of the presentation, just worrying about the transport of the Finnish resource.
Re: 5.0.0.10 (Debug). Germany Can't Get Petsamo RP to Factory.
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 5:20 pm
by rkr1958
Courtenay wrote: Mon Dec 05, 2022 6:39 am
BrianJH wrote: Mon Dec 05, 2022 4:04 am
rkr1958 wrote: Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:17 pm
4. Current Turn, Finland neutral & remains
unaligned to Germany.
Wouldn't Germany need to Align Finland first to get access to Finland's resources?
Oops. Yes. I missed that part of the presentation, just worrying about the transport of the Finnish resource.
Ok. That's it. Thanks! The bug I guess is then cosmetic. Showing the Finnish RP as German though Finland is now (again) neutral and unaligned.