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Hello, I want to start a thread today about an issue I've been having with the retreat ue bacon combo. So, I've been using bacon 1.82 for a really long time but I could never fix this one issue that bugs 4 alien races when I enable Retreat UE with bacon. The races seem to both work fine when the mods are separated which I've tested multiple times. The bug; Sulkens, Gizureans, Dhayuts, and Boskarans all build ships with the wrong ship design assets (ship images from other factions), they do not purchase these ships and I have screenshots of them being built in the spaceports. Strangely it usually takes a while for them to start doing this but after speeding the game up 4x for a month or 2 they begin to build them (Ship design assets don't even have to be of factions in the game). This bug is more interesting to me now that I've begun making my own mod, and with my improved understanding of the txt files, I still have not yet gotten rid of it. Screenshot's & save games will come I assure you. But first.

I'll clue you in on what's confusing me the most, from my understanding ship family images are designated in the "races" folder where each race has its own txt with a "DesignsPictureFamilyIndex;" line. All I should have to do to fix the problem is simply input the family number of the ship designs into the "DesignsPictureFamilyIndex;" line. Let's use Dhayuts as an example, they are family3, therefore "DesignsPictureFamilyIndex;3" should restrict the Dhayuts to only using those images right? Wrong, after doing this multiple times the problem persists. This isn't the only fix I've thought up, I could explore more in this post. But that's too much for me right now. Here is a screenshot that illustrates the Dhayut problem. Remember there are 4 other races that behave in the same way and have been tested to have this issue. PS The unusual ships in the Dhayut family have red herrings, they make no difference, the boskarans for example have none while suffering the bug, while other races have them and show no signs of the bug. PSS There is a hint in the screenshot for how I tried to solve the problem by other means, it was totally useless.

So I have seen this, the last game a few months ago. It was the Atuuk using images from all other races, even Shakturi. I don't know why this happens. Maybe it's a Bacon thing that only Roger could look at, but there's only a few of us left around here anymore.

Some guesses:
Try deleting the extra ship images (move or backup). The game doesn't need EXPLOR2, or MIL1A etc...
Try the !loadtemplates Bacon command at the start. Look in the bacon readme for instructions.

Thanks, will do

spoke too soon.

I don't have that problem.

I don't think your mod is installed correctly. On my install of the Mod the list you are showing is here C:\Matrix Games\Distant Worlds Universe\images\units\ships\family3 and not in the customization folder as yours are.

The customization folder has a further 21 sets of ship families (for the 21 new races) but each set only has 26 ship images, each named specifically for pupose. I.e. No MIL stuff or more specically those named in ALL capitals. Note that if you count those there's 15, so 41-15=26 the same number as in the customization folder. There must be a significance but as to what, why, how those extra 15 do i do not know, probably used by the AI somehow.

My suggestion is to uninstall all and reinstall. If I recall they is a stick way of installing the Mod if you look in the Bacon folder and there is a fix for something.

No this isn't right. I've changed the image folders around to see if it made a difference. It makes none. The installation is trivial. To be clear, I installed it properly as you described then made some changes to the image folder, and it makes no difference either way. I'd suggest you test for yourself with the mod by inspecting the races that I mentioned in the OP.

I have seen it happen, but the why is a good question. My only other guess is that it's a bacon mod issue that only Roger could fix.

Latisrof wrote: Tue Dec 20, 2022 6:47 pm No this isn't right. I've changed the image folders around to see if it made a difference. It makes none. The installation is trivial. To be clear, I installed it properly as you described then made some changes to the image folder, and it makes no difference either way. I'd suggest you test for yourself with the mod by inspecting the races that I mentioned in the OP.

Why would I test it? I'm playing the mod and have no problems. Why would changing the image folders around work if neither folder have the required images in them? There's also the the location of the images folders mine is different to yours.