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Doubt about fortification and its visual appearance

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:50 pm
by voroshilov17
Hello everyone,

In the manual (more precisely, on 12.4) it says: "Once the Fortification Level exceeds 33% a graphic is shown in the hex to indicate the presence of significant fortifications. Once the fortification level exceeds 66% the symbol is slightly thickened".

However, I am playing at "korsun" scenario and this is not fulfilled... (see attached photos).
That german HQ is in an hex with an entrenchment value of 68% as it can be seen in the below bar of the first photo. However, the hex does not show any graphic symbol (photo 2).

How is that possible? Where am I wrong?

Thank you a lot in advance!

Re: Doubt about fortification and its visual appearance

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:59 pm
by sPzAbt653
I don't use IV's graphics, so I may be wrong, but I think I see the graphical symbol in your shot 1. Please see next post.

III's graphic is as seen below:

Re: Doubt about fortification and its visual appearance

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:05 pm
by sPzAbt653
Do you see it? Do you think the notes below are correct?

Re: Doubt about fortification and its visual appearance

Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:08 pm
by voroshilov17
Thank you a lot for the graphic explanation sPzAbt653 !
It helps a lot, however, there is still a little point that I do not understad.
If the southern west hex (where the HQ unit is in) has a 68% of entrenchment level...how is it possible the HQ to have thee fortified "F" level of entrenchment?

I thought that the terrain hex entrenchment level was on pair with the entrenchment level of the unit
  • between 0-33 was D
    between 33-68 was E
    between 68-100 was F
but I think I miss something...

And it makes sense thinking about real battleground, right? A military unit is "fortified" if its position (trench, village, sector...whatever) is literally fortified.

Thank you a lot in advance.

Re: Doubt about fortification and its visual appearance

Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:01 pm
by Curtis Lemay
voroshilov17 wrote: Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:08 pm
I thought that the terrain hex entrenchment level was on pair with the entrenchment level of the unit
Nope. They are unrelated. The higher the entrenchment level in the hex the better the entrenching unit's chance to get to "D", or higher. The entrenchment level goes up as more and more troops and attemps are involved.

Re: Doubt about fortification and its visual appearance

Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:32 pm
by voroshilov17
Nope. They are unrelated. The higher the entrenchment level in the hex the better the entrenching unit's chance to get to "D", or higher. The entrenchment level goes up as more and more troops and attemps are involved.
Thank you for your response!
How can be unrelated? Doesn't have sense what I have said? In the real battlefield, the terrain fortifications are directly correlated to the fortification level of the military unit, no?

So let me explain what I have understood. The hex entrenchment level ONLY matters in terms of the probability for a military unit to achieve defensive levels (D-E-F). The only feature that matters in terms of combat are those defensive levels (D-E-F) of the units.Correct me if I am wrong

Re: Doubt about fortification and its visual appearance

Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:59 pm
by Curtis Lemay
voroshilov17 wrote: Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:32 pm
Nope. They are unrelated. The higher the entrenchment level in the hex the better the entrenching unit's chance to get to "D", or higher. The entrenchment level goes up as more and more troops and attemps are involved.
Thank you for your response!
How can be unrelated? Doesn't have sense what I have said? In the real battlefield, the terrain fortifications are directly correlated to the fortification level of the military unit, no?
There's more to being "Fortified" than just moving earth. (Mines, barbwire, etc.). Leave a position and come back a long time later and a lot of "fixing up" will be required.
So let me explain what I have understood. The hex entrenchment level ONLY matters in terms of the probability for a military unit to achieve defensive levels (D-E-F). The only feature that matters in terms of combat are those defensive levels (D-E-F) of the units.Correct me if I am wrong
Correct.

Re: Doubt about fortification and its visual appearance

Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2023 9:08 am
by voroshilov17
It is much more clear to me now.
Thank you a lot!