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Saving BPs
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2023 7:51 am
by Lvieira
Cannot save more than 4 BPs in the City of Vichy ? That some reason for that ? V5
Re: Saving BPs
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2023 10:09 am
by Joseignacio
The rules of the game.
Unless Vichy is already capital city of Vichy France.
You can only save 4 BPs in any of your cities, double that if is a port, double if capital. Paris would let you save 8, London 16.
Re: Saving BPs
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2023 1:14 pm
by Lvieira
In this Vichy France is already created.
I can send you the .gam if necessary.
Thanks
Re: Saving BPs
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2023 1:28 pm
by Orm
This is a bug, in my humble opinion.
Although, I am not sure if it has any practical relevance. Saving the BPs in Vichy is, I assume, so that Germany can get the BPs once Vichy France is dissolved. However, when Vichy France is dissolved, Vichy (the city) is no longer a capital, and thus, has no longer the increased capacity for storing BPs. The rules are not clear on how to handle over stacking of BPs. However, one could argue that the excess should be destroyed. Making the extra storage of BPs in Vichy moot.
Anyway. I am pretty sure this has been reported long time ago, and no action has been taken so far. Hopefully it is on the to do list.
So, the resolution for now is either to fill up all the other locations in Vichy France with BPs, and suffer when you can no longer save them. Or, at that point, collapse Vichy. Or make some edits to reflect on how you prefer things.
Re: Saving BPs
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2023 2:50 pm
by Joseignacio
Orm wrote: Wed Apr 26, 2023 1:28 pm
This is a bug, in my humble opinion.
Although, I am not sure if it has any practical relevance. Saving the BPs in Vichy is, I assume, so that Germany can get the BPs once Vichy France is dissolved. However, when Vichy France is dissolved, Vichy (the city) is no longer a capital, and thus, has no longer the increased capacity for storing BPs.
The rules are not clear on how to handle over stacking of BPs. However, one could argue that the excess should be destroyed. Making the extra storage of BPs in Vichy moot.
Anyway. I am pretty sure this has been reported long time ago, and no action has been taken so far. Hopefully it is on the to do list.
So, the resolution for now is either to fill up all the other locations in Vichy France with BPs, and suffer when you can no longer save them. Or, at that point, collapse Vichy. Or make some edits to reflect on how you prefer things.
I edited the game recently, to compensate for a bug of the game, and the easier way was to add them to the ones previously saved in the map. They were in Moscow, and there were 3 of them. I added the 7 points I had to add, for a total of 10. I was wary on what would happen to the extra 2. No more doubts, eventually the game told me there was an overstacking and I had to kill those 2 excedeing BPs. O well, no sweat, I will add them next turn.
Re: Saving BPs
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2023 2:51 pm
by Joseignacio
Lvieira wrote: Wed Apr 26, 2023 1:14 pm
In this Vichy France is already created.
I can send you the .gam if necessary.
Thanks
Hello:
First off, I am not a betatester, just another user trying to help. I can get the save but probably cannot correct anything, sorry.
Secondly, I too believe, in this case it is a bug.
Re: Saving BPs
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:53 pm
by Angeldust2
Joseignacio wrote: Wed Apr 26, 2023 2:50 pm
I added the 7 points I had to add, for a total of 10. I was wary on what would happen to the extra 2. No more doubts, eventually the game told me there was an overstacking and I had to kill those 2 excedeing BPs.
Care to share at what point in the sequence of play exactly MWIF noticed the overstacking and killed the exceeding BP?
Re: Saving BPs
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2023 4:10 pm
by Joseignacio
Dont think it will help you, because I edited the game before the Axis rail movement, and it happened... after the Axis rail movement or the land movement, while still during my opponent's turn.
It wasnt in some of the checks that should be normal in the game normal developement at the end of the active player phases or subphases, it seems more like a "Sanity Check" eventually in the general program.
Re: Saving BPs
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2023 4:10 pm
by Joseignacio
If you are very interested, I have the file and you can try to reproduce it in solo mode.
Re: Saving BPs
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2023 3:54 pm
by Centuur
According to RAW, it's allowed to save 8 build points in Vichy when Vichy has been created.
Now: if the Axis collapse Vichy, the city immediately isn't a major power capital anymore. This means that at the end of the phase in which Vichy collapsed, the city can only have 4 BP in it. At that moment any build points above the 4 which are allowed to be in the city are removed from the game. They cannot be used by the Axis anymore.
It's a known bug in MWIF that you cannot save more than 4 BP in Vichy, when Vichy has been created. This bug probably will not be fixed, since it has no consequence on gameplay. If all cities and ports in Vichy are fully stacked with BP, you cannot save them anymore.
Re: Saving BPs
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2023 3:56 pm
by Centuur
Centuur wrote: Thu Apr 27, 2023 3:54 pm
According to RAW, it's allowed to save 8 build points in Vichy when Vichy has been created.
Now: if the Axis collapse Vichy, the city immediately isn't a major power capital anymore. This means that at the end of the phase in which Vichy collapsed, the city can only have 4 BP in it. At that moment any build points above the 4 which are allowed to be in the city are removed from the game. They cannot be used by the Axis anymore.
The same also applies when the Allies capture the city. Any excess BP are to be removed from the game, because the city isn't a major power capital anymore.
It's a known bug in MWIF that you cannot save more than 4 BP in Vichy, when Vichy has been created. This bug probably will not be fixed, since it has no consequence on gameplay. If all cities and ports in Vichy are fully stacked with BP, you cannot save them anymore.
Re: Saving BPs
Posted: Wed May 03, 2023 9:51 am
by Joseignacio
Centuur wrote: Thu Apr 27, 2023 3:54 pm
According to RAW, it's allowed to save 8 build points in Vichy when Vichy has been created.
Now: if the Axis collapse Vichy, the city immediately isn't a major power capital anymore. This means that at the end of the phase in which Vichy collapsed, the city can only have 4 BP in it. At that moment any build points above the 4 which are allowed to be in the city are removed from the game. They cannot be used by the Axis anymore.
It's a known bug in MWIF that you cannot save more than 4 BP in Vichy, when Vichy has been created. This bug probably will not be fixed, since it has no consequence on gameplay. If all cities and ports in Vichy are fully stacked with BP, you cannot save them anymore.
