Welcome to the UK's newest dominion: France

[sveint]

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[Nirosi]

So still possible... this is not very enjoyable for a German player...

[sveint]

Sure but the UK is empty, and no merchant marine has been built

[Nirosi]

Ya, but if France does not fall by October, will it matter that much?

[AlvaroSousa]

If Germany builds some subs the UK is done for MM wise till 1943.

6 total will wreck the convoys.

[Nirosi]

If Germany builds some subs the UK is done for MM wise till 1943.

6 total will wreck the convoys.

Yes in theory, but that is only true if France does fall before autumn. In that case yes, UK is in deep trouble.

If it does not fall by October, not only chances are that France will last past the winter, but no Hungary and no Romania. That is pretty much game over for Germany, so those subs will matter little as the German player will probably give up. And with such a huge allied deployment chances are there that it will last.

[AlvaroSousa]

Doesn't matter. If Germany is wrecking UK land units and UK MMs France can fall in December for all I care.

If it is all infantry it should be easy to wipe them out and move the line.

[stjeand]

Not so sure...

First all French units should be in the front and Garrisoned for Antt-tank bonus as well as wearing down the German armor. French troops are there to just wear down German armor as they try to push through.
Once they are worn they are pretty much done.
The UK just constantly rotate units and continue to wear down the Axis.
It is also likely that there is a UK armor or 2 somewhere...not reason not to have them.

IF France does not fall in 40 Germany is done. Does not matter if they sink 100% of the UK MMs...and that won't happen, since Germany will be crippled by then without the French PP and no Romania / Hungary.

I have NEVER built a single MM prior to the battle in France. They can just build 10 MM per turn after the battle. German can't sink enough fast enough. they can't afford to build 3 subs prior to taking France as they need armor and air else something like this will wear them down.

[sveint]

Didn't mean for this to turn into a whole discussion. I just go something different (silly) every game.

The UK units will be withdrawn when depleted and sent to Egypt/England. Having them behind the French would be a bad idea as no time to evacuate.

It does make France slower (not harder) to take, but also gives Germany the chance to give the UK a good whopping.

[sveint]

Not building another air superiority group as Germany is a massive mistake.

All the tanks in the world won't help if you don't have air superiority.

Blitzkreig was about panzers and stukas.

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[AlvaroSousa]

And now you know why World in Flames (board game) took an eternity to balance.

[sveint]

Honestly for WarPlan 2 maybe France needs to be a bit different. Their infantry can be 50% (because their soldiers/equipment/doctrine was not bad), but their leadership was atrocious and downright treasonous sometimes, so they could have leadership penalties like reduced movement and a massive chance to retreat when attacked. Just throwing out ideas. Also perhaps some sort of morale penalty if the BEF is too big?

Oh and also not require the capture of Paris? I'd make Vichy easier to accomplish.

[ncc1701e]

For WP2, there is a need to distinguish the variant of infantry division for UK.

Why UK has so much division at start? To protect all the ports in UK. But, in reality, this was done by British County Divisions. See the below URL:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_County_Divisions

Something that WPP is doing already. Japan have some Defense Infantry Division, another type of infantry division. They can't merge together into infantry corps. They can't perform naval invasions. They are not suitable for attack only defense.

For WP2, this is what needs to be done. Because, at the end, it prevents to have 20 infantry corps with divisions that could have never participe in offensive operations.

From here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_B ... rld_War_II

On 3 September 1939, at the start of the war, the United Kingdom had 2 armoured, 24 infantry and 7 anti-aircraft divisions. The anti-aircraft divisions were not comparable in role to formations that were intended for combat such as infantry divisions. In September, the British Army stated that 55 divisions (a mix of armoured, infantry and cavalry) would be raised to combat Germany. The United Kingdom would provide 32 of these formations and the remainder would be raised by the Dominions and India.

[Nirosi]

For WP2, there is a need to distinguish the variant of infantry division for UK.

Why UK has so much division at start? To protect all the ports in UK. But, in reality, this was done by British County Divisions. See the below URL:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_County_Divisions

Something that WPP is doing already. Japan have some Defense Infantry Division, another type of infantry division. They can't merge together into infantry corps. They can't perform naval invasions. They are not suitable for attack only defense.

For WP2, this is what needs to be done. Because, at the end, it prevents to have 20 infantry corps with divisions that could have never participe in offensive operations.

From here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_B ... rld_War_II

On 3 September 1939, at the start of the war, the United Kingdom had 2 armoured, 24 infantry and 7 anti-aircraft divisions. The anti-aircraft divisions were not comparable in role to formations that were intended for combat such as infantry divisions. In September, the British Army stated that 55 divisions (a mix of armoured, infantry and cavalry) would be raised to combat Germany. The United Kingdom would provide 32 of these formations and the remainder would be raised by the Dominions and India.

I like the idea. Very much...

[stjeand]

That would be easy to handle in this WP version.

Just take the units that should be defensive (UK Homeguard) and change them to 20% experience.

Those units would be useless in France and likely just left in backline defensive areas.

Another option would be to force the UK to defend their ports. If they do not perhaps a production hit as people are too scared to go to work for fear of German attack.


Just some other ideas.

I would rather they be Homeguard units that have maybe 1 movement and are weak and unable to leave the UK but that is not something easily done in WPE today.

[CHINCHIN]

You can also put units in garrison form, and with Anti-tank technology.

[ncc1701e]

You can also put units in garrison form, and with Anti-tank technology.

Good idea too, it will cost to UK to put them back in combat ready mode.