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Is the Teekan victory condition of having the most trade working?

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2023 9:24 pm
by Burnrate
I cannot seem to get the victory points for having the most trade income. I have FTA with 10 of the 16 other empires and have all of the trade tech unlocked.

Is there a way to see the trade income of all empires and compare?

Re: Is the Teekan victory condition of having the most trade working?

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2023 12:23 am
by bbb1515
I wonder about this also.

Re: Is the Teekan victory condition of having the most trade working?

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2023 10:27 am
by beAs
I have the same question.
If it is working as designed it would be a good idea to have a tech or spy option to track it.

Re: Is the Teekan victory condition of having the most trade working?

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2023 12:15 pm
by Franky007
There is a thread about this from more than one year ago:
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/view ... 0#p5060180

I don't understand why the devs don't want to look into it!

Re: Is the Teekan victory condition of having the most trade working?

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2023 12:18 pm
by Burnrate
Argh, that stinks

Re: Is the Teekan victory condition of having the most trade working?

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2023 2:22 pm
by MaximKI
Hey folks, thanks for bringing this up. Do you have any recent saves you could share that shows the Teekan victory condition not working?

Re: Is the Teekan victory condition of having the most trade working?

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2023 2:49 pm
by Burnrate
MaximKI wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 2:22 pm Hey folks, thanks for bringing this up. Do you have any recent saves you could share that shows the Teekan victory condition not working?
What is the preferred way to share a file over 10 mb? I used ultra compression and the file was still 20 mb.

EDIT:
Here is a dropbox link of the zipped save
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/5l9xgq0c ... 8xtgp&dl=0

Re: Is the Teekan victory condition of having the most trade working?

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2023 6:11 pm
by thegreybetween
MaximKI wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 2:22 pm Hey folks, thanks for bringing this up. Do you have any recent saves you could share that shows the Teekan victory condition not working?
I think the bigger question is "How can we know if it is working or not?". The WinCon says "Generate the most income from trade in the galaxy", and it seems to be a yes/no condition (0%/100%). But there isn't any way (that I know) to benchmark it against other empires. It basically just says 0%, so we have to assume that some other empire must be generating more. But in the later game, when you have a massive economy and lots of FTAs, the player should logically be achieving this.

So, I guess you could think of this post as two prongs:
- Is the WinCon actually working?
- Can we get a way to assess our performance moving forward, so that we can meaningfully work toward this WinCon? This could be an explicit note on the Victory screen (like the way it tells us which empires have killed more Vordikars), or it could be something like an espionage mission or Teekan-unique sensor tech that somehow lets us gauge our trade income relative to the rest of the galaxy.