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Hi Wargamers,

I am about to plan my 1942 spring offensive as Germany in my full campaign. As I am rearranging my army as a whole I am interested about your opinion. Is is better to overlaod HG South or attaching units to the Rumanian High Command to avoid that?

If armygroup south is overloaded the assault armies under it wont work.

Zebtucker12 wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:34 am If armygroup south is overloaded the assault armies under it wont work.

Thank you very much. I definitely missed that detail. That would be a desaster. Good to know. So it looks like I really have to change lots of units/corps/army to the rumanian high command...

Just assign to OKH if it comes to that.

Jango32 wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2023 10:23 am Just assign to OKH if it comes to that.

Ah, yes. That makes sense. Never thought about that, although it is quite obvious .

Zebtucker12 wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:34 am If armygroup south is overloaded the assault armies under it wont work.

exactly!

so, highest priority is to ensure nothing in the assault HQ command-chain is overloaded.

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The command capacity number assigned by WiTE2 is a very artificial construct that has not been properly balanced.

The result is (for Germany) a command infrastructure that rarely has enough capacity to accommodate it's force pool.
IMO, there is little historic evidence of this as Germany commonly created ad hoc commands as the need arose.

For example, Army Group Kleist. Ad hoc commands were created all the time by Germany.

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And Army Group Seydlitz....

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DarkHorse2 wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2023 4:46 pm

Your posts from last days shows that you are really a smartass. So far you haven't posted anything what devs doesn't know. Just pure complains without any plausible solutions. With plausible I mean not prone to abuse by players(like was the case with DT when every fighter in the air have been flying with them).

Please refrain from personal attacks.

I posted an answer re overloading somewhere else on the forum in the past few days. We do in fact know the data you present, and this is an area where we had to draw hard lines where clearly there were other things going on that we decided to ignore or simplify. We can't simulate everything and keep it fun and playable.

AbeMuc wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2023 12:00 pm

Jango32 wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2023 10:23 am Just assign to OKH if it comes to that.

Ah, yes. That makes sense. Never thought about that, although it is quite obvious .

Interesting idea.

I have a relatively meagre understanding of the impact of a well set up command structure. How much of a disadvantage would it mean if I say attached one army in the southern front directly to the OKH and skip the "front" level?

Is it a tradeoff that is worth it in order for example to retain the benefits of the 1st Pz. Group being an assault HQ?

Basically you lose out on one layer of rolls in case the corps HQ leader and the army HQ leader fail their rolls. Worth it if it means an assault army still functions as an assault army. If you have any Axis allies on the map they should never, ever be part of a German army group. Have those Axis allied army HQs report to OKH.

Jango32 wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:58 pm Basically you lose out on one layer of rolls in case the corps HQ leader and the army HQ leader fail their rolls. Worth it if it means an assault army still functions as an assault army. If you have any Axis allies on the map they should never, ever be part of a German army group. Have those Axis allied army HQs report to OKH.

Apart from the extra CP points to eg assign an Axis Ally Div to a German HQ what other penalties are there?

That is the main downside. They cost more, they are Axis allies (so not really that worthwhile to have on the map anyway) and you will be struggling enough with managing German units vis-a-vis CPs. And if the army group is overloaded, any assault army or assault armies in the army group no longer get assault army bonuses.