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Mana from Heaven? What the hell is going on here?

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2023 2:30 am
by dasboot1960
I'm kind of 'bringing along' a more or less novice IJ player. As allied in the Philippines I have repeatedly noticed sudden large influxes of supplies to the Allies on Luzon.
First noticed this at Iba and Batangas once each in separate games (yes, we've had us some restarts...). I'm talking on the order of 30k supply points, overnight. I had convinced myself that he had sent in the supply and then inadvertently left it behind (at Iba, he got control of the hex but never occupied it) Batangas was a similar situation, but he had actually occupied and then abandoned the hex. I've also had the 'Batangas experience' once when I was IJ (he figured he'd rather try having the big hammers early after a couple with me as IJ) 30k supply, overnight, boom, like that. As I recall, I held Batangas when it happened. It was not captured. I held the hex, had some supply, but nowhere near 30k anywhere except perhaps Lingayen with him still hold the three keys.
Cut to latest go round. On 1-23-42 or so, holdings on Luzon were 33k at Bataan 4k at Manila (I know it produces some supply, and god love that shipyard for sub repair) another 3k at Clark. Bataan only was set as a depot. I generally concentrate supply there, and if Clark/Manila get too low I turn Depot off for a turn or two to feed them a little more. On that day, I also moved my tank battalions, one to Iba, one to Cabanatuan. He had gained control, but not occupied so I went for a sniff. On that day I also turned the Bataan depot off.
1-24-42 - I managed to slip an xAK TF through to Bataan with almost 10k supply. I load these on the tiny luggers at Balikpapan and if he doesn't tightly blockade, I try my luck. Supplies at Bataan dropped to 29k or so, the difference roughly split between increases at Clark and Manila.
1-25-42 - Tanks reached destinations, couple hundred supply at each base, likely left behind when I originally bugged out. xAKs had unloaded and paid the reaper trying to sneak back out, So Bataan went up by that 9-10k. Turned the depot back on.
I just got my 1-26-42 turn. Supplies at Clark 6k, Manila 29k, Bataan 81k! Jesus loves the little children, but I'm old. What in the world is going on here?
This has occurred around similar dates in each instance. Each time, happily disconcerting, high strangeness

Re: Mana from Heaven? What the hell is going on here?

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:44 am
by Chris21wen
More info needed.

What game version, what scenario, is it against the AI.

Re: Mana from Heaven? What the hell is going on here?

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2023 9:12 am
by Yaab
PI (Phillipine) units on Luzon are mostly small divisions . They have 243 rifle squads, BUT each division has a a total of 51 guns (pack howitzers,75mm field arty , 3inch trench mortars). If you put such divisons en masse in a base, use them in Combat and Bombardment, they can use a lot of supplies. Their supply use can jump ten times compared to peacetime use. Also, several bases on Luzon are linked by rail, thus the code can move a big amount of supplies in one turn.

EDIT: I don't know the upper capacity of the rail network in WITP:AE, but in RHS mod I saw the code push 900,000 supplies in one turn from the mainland India to Trincomalee, which was linked to India by the Adam's Bridge rail.

Re: Mana from Heaven? What the hell is going on here?

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2023 10:48 am
by RangerJoe
If you had just captured bases, those supplies could have been captured and then the supplies moved before you even saw them at the captured base. Those quartermasters can work fast when they are hungry.

Re: Mana from Heaven? What the hell is going on here?

Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2023 11:58 am
by LargeSlowTarget
Yaab wrote: Sat Oct 28, 2023 9:12 am
EDIT: I don't know the upper capacity of the rail network in WITP:AE, but in RHS mod I saw the code push 900,000 supplies in one turn from the mainland India to Trincomalee, which was linked to India by the Adam's Bridge rail.
Which should not happen since there has never been a railway link between India and Ceylon via the Adam's bridge, the crossing required ferries between the railway endpoints on each side of Palk Strait.