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The fall of the Berlin Wall, the 9th of November 1989

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2023 3:27 pm
by RangerJoe
A minor East German official made a mistake and an Italian journalist asked a simple but a very important question.

The mistake that toppled the Berlin Wall
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn4VDwaV-oo

https://www.history.com/topics/cold-war/berlin-wall

Re: The fall of the Berlin Wall, the 9th of November 1989

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2023 2:30 pm
by pzgndr
One needs to also look at the events of September 11, 1989, when Hungary lifted restrictions on travel to Austria. Once that happened, cheap two-stroke Trabant And Wartburg cars from the east started flowing into Austria and Germany and puttering along on the autobahns. It was just a matter of time before the whole border collapsed and hoards of people yearning for freedom and liberty were able to escape Communism. I was stationed in Bamberg, Germany, at the time and I remember all of this. After the Berlin Wall fell, my GDP on the Czech border became moot.

https://www.rferl.org/a/hungary-1989-ea ... 56892.html

Re: The fall of the Berlin Wall, the 9th of November 1989

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2023 6:43 pm
by Orm
pzgndr wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 2:30 pm One needs to also look at the events of September 11, 1989, when Hungary lifted restrictions on travel to Austria.
Hear, hear.

Re: The fall of the Berlin Wall, the 9th of November 1989

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2023 9:50 pm
by RangerJoe
pzgndr wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 2:30 pm One needs to also look at the events of September 11, 1989, when Hungary lifted restrictions on travel to Austria. Once that happened, cheap two-stroke Trabant And Wartburg cars from the east started flowing into Austria and Germany and puttering along on the autobahns. It was just a matter of time before the whole border collapsed and hoards of people yearning for freedom and liberty were able to escape Communism. I was stationed in Bamberg, Germany, at the time and I remember all of this. After the Berlin Wall fell, my GDP on the Czech border became moot.

https://www.rferl.org/a/hungary-1989-ea ... 56892.html
There were a lot of things that contributed to the fall of the Berlin Wall, but this was the date that it happened and the press conference where the critical question was asked.

Re: The fall of the Berlin Wall, the 9th of November 1989

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 10:31 pm
by Vasquez
I was in the Western German Bundeswehr back then. Like it was yesterday.

Re: The fall of the Berlin Wall, the 9th of November 1989

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 12:37 am
by RangerJoe
As I understand it, both West and East Germany had a party that lasted for about one month. The people still went to work and school but then partied.

I also read something written about an American soldier on a border Observation Post near Rasdorf in Hesse and across from Geisa in Thuringia, he wrote that suddenly there was a mass of East German civilians headed to the border. The Americans there did not know what was going on. I am sure that there was a rather significant "pucker factor" among the Americans at that place.

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_ ... ingia.html

Alert drill at OP Alpha:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO71LjkB-X8

I saw a German language youtube video on that place, I used English auto translate close captioning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ORsF3b64gY

Re: The fall of the Berlin Wall, the 9th of November 1989

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 3:07 am
by ElvisJJonesRambo
If they had listened to Patton, there wouldn't have been a Cold War.
Russians should have returned (or been forced to return), to their pre-War borders.

Re: The fall of the Berlin Wall, the 9th of November 1989

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 12:16 pm
by Zovs
I was stationed at Mainz Gonzienhiem (sic) at the time with 4/34 armor (US).

Re: The fall of the Berlin Wall, the 9th of November 1989

Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:53 am
by liamneeson
It was such a monumental mistake which truly brought about great change. Also largely because it’s evidence to discredit Reagan as having any influence on the fall of the Berlin Wall.