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Sorry Not buying that russian SSN Yassen is quieter at creep speed than both the Astute and the block V and VI of Virginia class,

Quite an argument you position there. I'm sure that convinced everyone.

Perhaps it would be better to give the source of the information, rather than to give an isolated conclusion tinged with strong self-speculation. Though, I don't buy it either.

Yasen on the left, Astute on the right.
Creep Speed, 131ft depth

thewood1 wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2024 1:44 am Quite an argument you position there. I'm sure that convinced everyone.

As a former instructor at us naval submarine school Groton CT. I think I have more insider information than most on these forums

https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2019/ ... ubmarines/

This is the Block V of the Virginia one of main components of program is sound quieting over existing Virginia class which is already quieter than the Yasen.

FTBSS wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:50 am

thewood1 wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2024 1:44 am Quite an argument you position there. I'm sure that convinced everyone.

As a former instructor at us naval submarine school Groton CT. I think I have more insider information than most on these forums

So, can we know the details of this "insider information"? Or do we simply believe your conclusion that have no information to back up?

You Know what, J-20 has a -99dbsm radar signal in all angles, I have AVIC & CAC insider information. Trust me.

Sanyr1310 wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2024 5:02 am

FTBSS wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:50 am

thewood1 wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2024 1:44 am Quite an argument you position there. I'm sure that convinced everyone.

As a former instructor at us naval submarine school Groton CT. I think I have more insider information than most on these forums

So, can we know the details of this "insider information"? Or do we simply believe your conclusion that have no information to back up?

You Know what, J-20 has a -99dbsm radar signal in all angles, I have AVIC & CAC insider information. Trust me.

As a 9 year active submariner. I have listened to Russian submarines on multiple occasions they make more noise than most of our surface fleet. Our sound quieting programs cost more money than the entire Russian sub program. I am sure with less money less advanced machinery less development time the Russian subs have caught up with the 2 generations they were behind in both sound isolation an acoustic sensors.

Sanyr1310 wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2024 5:02 am

FTBSS wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:50 am

thewood1 wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2024 1:44 am Quite an argument you position there. I'm sure that convinced everyone.

As a former instructor at us naval submarine school Groton CT. I think I have more insider information than most on these forums

So, can we know the details of this "insider information"? Or do we simply believe your conclusion that have no information to back up?

You Know what, J-20 has a -99dbsm radar signal in all angles, I have AVIC & CAC insider information. Trust me.

Don't encourage him. The last thing we need is our own "War Thunder forum argument" leak of classified info

FTBSS wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2024 12:17 am Sorry Not buying that russian SSN Yassen is quieter at creep speed than both the Astute and the block V and VI of Virginia class,

Please submit your change request here: https://github.com/PygmalionOfCyprus/cmo-db-requests

More open source info with some coming from chinese so no skin in game when comparing Virginias to Yasens

https://gentleseas.blogspot.com/2016/10 ... e.html?m=1

Is this enough or do you want to remain obtuse?

Dimitris wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2024 5:34 am

FTBSS wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2024 12:17 am Sorry Not buying that russian SSN Yassen is quieter at creep speed than both the Astute and the block V and VI of Virginia class,

Please submit your change request here: https://github.com/PygmalionOfCyprus/cmo-db-requests

Thanks Dimitris will submit my feedback there

FTBSS wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:09 am More open source info with some coming from chinese so no skin in game when comparing Virginias to Yasens

https://gentleseas.blogspot.com/2016/10 ... e.html?m=1

Is this enough or do you want to remain obtuse?

If you had provided this OSINT information in the first place, then I would not have questioned your argument so strongly.

Military personnel should reserve these types of simulation comments for the professional edition. In general it would benefit true military operators to leave "the world" with an overestimated value of opponents and an underestimated view of their own capabilities.